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城市論壇嘅雜項部係用嚟貼上同其它類別無關嘅信息。請盡量喺相應嘅頁面中發表同消息、政策、技術、提議及協助有關嘅討論，而並非喺呢度。想解釋點解你唔想響度寫嘢，唔該去WT:答批評。呢度係我地做嘢嘅地方。

請喺你嘅留言道加上你嘅簽名用埋時間（打入~~~~或者撳一下編輯工具欄上面嘅簽名掣）。請響最尾道加上新嘅題目。

Google偏袒中文維基又一實例

之前爬文聽過Google對各語言維基版本未有一視同仁公平對待，重中文輕粵文，啱啱有個發現可以同大家分享。粵語維基開咗「‎歐陽仲豪」篇文已經差唔多兩年，今日06:46(UTC，下同) 中文維基開咗同一頁面，我大約07:06（開文唔夠半個鐘）Google搜尋「‎歐陽仲豪」，中文維基個結果已經排第二，只係排粵文維基下面。相反，粵文維基嘅新版，就算中文維基無開文，都需要一段長時間先至畀Google收錄。抽樣查幾篇中文維基無嘅文：今朝開嘅「創文館」，尋日開嘅「洛神花茶」，前日開嘅「創奇思」，大前日開嘅「動物守衛隊」，四日前開嘅「Okapi BM25」，五日前開嘅「艾爾絲懷疑仙境」，通通Google都暫未收錄；到我抽到呢篇六日前開嘅「啟德車站廣場」，先至見Google有收錄，呢刻排名第12。--Mikedou (傾偈) 2022年5月14號 (六) 07:29 (UTC)

講開，歐陽仲豪嗰篇中維啲料好似仲齊過呢邊。 ——Z423X5C6（傾偈） 2022年5月14號 (六) 15:32 (UTC)

我望到呢個討論嘅時間，中維嘅「‎歐陽仲豪」已經唔見咗（應該又係衰嗰邊嘅「關注度」），不過響Google搜尋結果仍佔第二。Google啲衰嘢都存在咗好耐，但無奈暫時都無方法去改變。Yahoo就叫做相對持平啲，唔係無偏袒，但情況好過Google好多。Yahoo搜尋「歐陽仲豪」，粵維排第一，而中維都憑「微辣」篇文排第7，掹車邊出現響第一版。--Kowlooner (傾偈) 2022年5月15號 (日) 11:58 (UTC)

咕㗝當初各地有各地搵，搵嘢啱本地用。後尾佢敗走大陸，轉哂啲嘢去香港，自此就好難搵香港本地嘢，搵親都夾住海量垃圾。佢個地圖，香港同深圳界綫，曾經長年錯位，兩地互相重疊，過咗好多年先整返啱。有時香港本土嘢，好似防風板咁，唔知頭唔路嘅話，就畀咕㗝誤導話擋風板，實情指第二樣嘢，靠咕㗝就會九唔搭八，冚晒本地用字。咕㗝搵乜嘢人做嘢，心照啦。何來會照住廣東話需求。HenryLi (傾偈) 2022年7月1號 (五) 07:03 (UTC)

@HenryLi: 地圖重疊係受中國大陸法律規定所影響：zh:中华人民共和国地理数据限制#坐标系实现。 H78c67c·傾偈 2022年7月1號 (五) 08:05 (UTC)

嗰時咕㗝已經撤走。而且微軟、諾基亞、蘋果等地圖都無依個問題。就算百度都無依個問題。只能話咕㗝自己有問題。HenryLi (傾偈) 2022年7月1號 (五) 08:10 (UTC)

順帶一提：大家因應呢種特性，可以多啲揀親美帝偏執者唔鍾意嘅題材嚟寫喺粵文版……某股勢力見到呢種獨家文章，就會出手翻譯，然後喺中文版整篇甩皮甩骨嘅和諧版出嚟，嗰啲醒目管理員意識到情況如此，就會出人意表噉暫停發神經，唔搬出萬能刪除歪理（抄襲嘅叫「侵犯版權」，唔抄襲就當「原創總結」……），扮睇唔到，甚至話夠關注度而支持保留——目的係令到搜尋者難以睇到呢道獨有嘅關鍵內容。然而繼續會有啲懵懂親美帝散仔不明所以，要求刪除，大家偶然見到時，不妨過去投下票，順水推舟。--110.174.132.162（討論） 2022年7月27號 (三) 21:15 (UTC)

@HenryLi：有冇試過噉樣（https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q111800366&diff=prev&oldid=1725315742及https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q111800367&type=revision&diff=1725335263&oldid=1639532952）教咕㗝？--110.174.132.162（討論） 2022年9月10號 (六) 14:29 (UTC)

等咗幾日……睇嚟乜用都冇。推測：以呢個例子計，大型網上商店平台同谷歌係拍檔……商業決定成分頗重，人工智能缺陷成分頗輕。--110.174.132.162（討論） 2022年9月15號 (四) 05:51 (UTC)

谷歌玩弄中共醜聞例子

大家可以試下用谷歌搜尋熱門關鍵詞「張津瑜」，會見到佢夾硬當你哋打錯字，顯示極為冷門嘅「張欣瑜」嘅嘢，而第一個結果係篇百度百科嘅簡體字文；偏偏改用「张津瑜」，唔會出現咁離譜嘅怪事，排除咗谷歌為道義而保護當事人嘅可能性……（若果谷歌仗義疏財，本用户會支持。）不過總係反常噉忽略粵文版維基百科嗰篇「張津瑜」。呢樣明顯唔係人工智能自然出現嘅偏差，而似係非廣告客户叫佢人手噉加道特別指令入去。就算用百度搜尋「张欣瑜」，喺結果當中排頭嘅，都唔係自己嘅網站。--110.174.132.162（討論） 2022年9月11號 (日) 07:00 (UTC)

@Mikedou：本用户揾到證據（https://archive.ph/JfmdZ），確定谷歌會將粵文版維基百科嘅正文擺入黑名單，反而粵文版維基百科嘅城市論壇頁面冇事，甚至連翻版粵文版維基百科嘅內容，都有埞企！谷歌唔尊重文化，亦唔尊重版權，更唔尊重私穩。若果用其他簡單組合嘅關鍵詞嚟做實驗，會發現有料到嘅鹹濕網站排位唔錯，可見谷歌對受害嘅張津瑜毫不憐憫；反而，本用户寫嗰篇文係孤兒，冇嘗試傳播佢嘅尷尬消息，喺正常情況之下，甚至會搶走嘩眾取寵嘅娛樂版新聞嘅些少瀏覽量。無奈，就算使出好多小技倆，對粵文版維基百科嘅幫助都唔會大。--110.174.132.162（討論） 2022年9月15號 (四) 11:43 (UTC)

谷歌已經肯將嗰篇文曝光，呢個似乎係佢嘅瀏覽量飆升嘅原因，不過有件新嘅怪事隨之而嚟（https://archive.ph/c9FZc），就係即使唔登入户口，冇閂色情過濾，都可以喺當眼位見到四仔冇格仔嘅相關網頁；唔理有心定係無意，都算辱華。若果中共網軍少啲洽嶺南同胞，多啲搞美帝外敵就好喇。另外，可能有人試過，喺中文版維基百科整篇新文嘅時候，唔小心將標題打錯成冇意義嘅嘢，谷歌照樣會即時收錄！只理出身，而唔理本質嘅做法，認真可惡。--110.174.132.162（討論） 2022年11月6號 (日) 21:51 (UTC)

我睇過Google搜尋「張津瑜」而家係排緊第二位，可以解釋到點解瀏覽人次多咗。只能夠慨嘆Google影響力真係好大，有能力控制到多數網民接觸到同接觸唔到特定嘅資訊。--Mikedou (傾偈) 2022年11月7號 (一) 11:51 (UTC)

我㝷日搵第啲嘢（同政治無關），用Google搵（因為搵中文，第啲真係唔掂），粵維嘅嘢被人抄，Google 會列出抄襲網站，但係唔列粵維，連叫佢列埋 ｢重覆網頁｣ 都仍然冇粵維。

如果佢唔係玩嘢，就係佢啲演算法根本全部係廢，仲係佢哋啲嘢廢自己都唔知（其係都唔係乜嘢新聞）。 Al12si (傾偈) 2022年11月7號 (一) 21:29 (UTC)

檢查過啲垃圾文章嘅索引狀態，發覺中文版維基百科好適合濫用嚟做污糟嘢！有人不斷玩「黃志強」呢個名，佢會搏命改標題，總係寫得一兩行無謂嘢（係唔係追債或者尋仇，就不得而知囉……）；雖然次次都好快被刪除，但係谷歌嘅緩存一律會留低好耐！--110.174.132.162（討論） 2022年11月12號 (六) 20:38 (UTC)

呢篇文响上個月登上瀏覽量榜首（https://zh-yue.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E6%AF%8F%E6%9C%88%E6%9C%80%E5%A4%9A%E4%BA%BA%E7%9D%87%E5%98%85%E6%96%87/2023%E5%B9%B4/1%E6%9C%88），可能由戴璐桃色事件帶起；到咗今個月，佢已經被谷歌埋咗落地底（https://archive.md/dNoWG），肯定係人手操作！--49.176.167.107（討論） 2023年2月18號 (六) 08:13 (UTC)

「重新導向」算唔算所謂嘅「國維行話」？

我發現用編輯工具列去開redirect page時，以前係寫做「#REDIRECT XXX」，而家係寫做「#重新導向 XXX」。但我記得「redirect」呢度好似叫「跳轉」？咁「重新導向」又算唔算所謂嘅「國維行話」？ Yaukasin (傾偈) 2022年7月1號 (五) 05:33 (UTC)

@Yaukasin：請睇「Wikipedia:城市論壇_(技術)#MediaWiki_介面訊息今後無粵文翻譯就會預設用zh-hk或zh-hant顯示」嘅討論。 ——Z423X5C6（傾偈） 2022年7月1號 (五) 05:46 (UTC)

跳轉、重新導向，2個字都通用，冇必要揀咗是但一個，之後要禁用另一個用字。特克斯特 (傾偈) 2022年7月1號 (五) 05:48 (UTC)

明白，多謝各位解答。--Yaukasin (傾偈) 2022年7月1號 (五) 05:53 (UTC)

「#重新導向」呢個字係有bug嘅，請睇Wikipedia:城市論壇 (技術)#懷疑因為清理「#重新導向」遇到bug搞到粵維文章數少咗三百幾篇。如果保險計都係用住「#REDIRECT」先。 Shinjiman ⇔ ♨ 2022年7月22號 (五) 02:30 (UTC)

維基網上國際年會：全域行為準則討論

Hi all, sorry for writing in English here. There will be an Universal Code of Conduct Enforcement Guidelines Roundtable soon. You are also invited to share your questions directly on the page or on the Movement Strategy Forum. Looking forward to seeing you there! VChang (WMF) (傾偈) 2022年8月11號 (四) 13:05 (UTC)

粵文：今日 14:00 UTC (22:00 HKT) 會有 全域行為準則討論，請大家湧躍參與！會前會後都可以去呢度提出討論事項： Movement Strategy Forum 翹仔 (傾偈) 2022年8月11號 (四) 13:36 (UTC)

如果有時間不妨關注Special:UnconnectedPages

以往清理Special:UnconnectedPages（未連到項目嘅版）嘅工作量唔算多，但最近有人開咗大量香港政商界人物嘅文，而嗰位人兄出名冇連Wikidata嘅習慣，而家Special:UnconnectedPages有超過500篇文章，扣除大部份真係粵維獨有嘅文，估計應該仍然有二三十篇可以連去Wikidata項目。最麻煩係中文維基亦唔係篇篇有，就算有同名嘅文又未必係同一個人，所以需要相當多時間逐一去睇。如果有時間，不妨可以幫下手，清得幾多得幾多。 Kwgulden (傾偈) 2022年8月20號 (六) 09:44 (UTC)

我見已經用咗「另類方法」處理，就係冚唪唥開晒Wikidata項目，Special:UnconnectedPages乾淨晒。不過後續就要清理同中文維基同名嘅Wikidata項目（由259個增加到384個）（當然同名未必係講同一個人，所以仍然需要逐一人手比對）。--Kwgulden (傾偈) 2022年9月12號 (一) 08:28 (UTC)

我想問如果 check 咗發現唔同類，點樣update?⸺Al12si (傾偈) 2022年9月12號 (一) 10:23 (UTC)

@Kwgulden：可以去叫User:Universehk去連返。特克斯特 (傾偈) 2022年9月12號 (一) 16:40 (UTC)

同名但講緊唔同嘅嘢，可以喺兩邊item加「different from」嘅Statement；而確定可以合併嘅，用Merge gadget（如果未用過要去Preferences開返）就最方便。不過要比對都唔係簡單嘅事，隨便搵「任達榮 vs zh:任達榮」做例：粵維嘅文只係有佢中文名同選委身份；中維嘅文相對詳盡，但偏偏就未提過佢係選委，即係話兩篇文除咗中文名一樣之外，就見唔到有其他共通點證明係同一個人，係咪同一個人根本無從判斷。正所謂解鈴還須繫鈴人，或者最好都係等Universehk自己處理返最有效率。--Mikedou (傾偈) 2022年9月13號 (二) 11:25 (UTC)

喺早前我都已經將最少三十篇文喺Wikidata嗰邊連過嚟，都整過唔少嘅項目喺度，如果已經有Wikidata項目喺嗰邊嘅話，開咗文章之後就順手喺Wikidata嗰邊連返過嚟，真係冇項目嘅話就喺嗰邊開返一個新嘅項目。 Shinjiman ⇔ ♨ 2022年9月13號 (二) 16:27 (UTC)

我想問如果 merge 唔到應該點處理？例如 Q32163017（得個跳轉）merge 唔到入Q1615964（跳轉去嗰版）

我恁個 UnconnectedPages 列表唔係好可信。我見過幾個都係得個跳轉。有啲直接跳去維基字典，同刪咗版其實冇乜分別，其實我哋唔使嘥時間開維基數據畀呢啲喺用戶角度唔存在嘅版

Sorry 問咁多 stupid question。我從來都冇理過維基數據；我都唔知 Unconnected Pages 而今係冇連維基數據咁解（如果冇記錯，以前係第個意思）

⸺Al12si (傾偈) 2022年9月14號 (三) 04:53 (UTC)

《維基數據》家吓嘅其中一個重要功能就係喺嗰版嘅『話』一段列出其它話嘅版本，可以連到其它話嘅版本，同埋有啲模會喺《維基數據》嗰邊拎嘢，然後整理喺嗰版上面表示，好似一啲社交網嘅戶口或者YouTube頻道噉，各話係共通嘅，噉呢種情況之下用數據嗰邊嘅值做準，為咗都係維護方面唔需要喺各個維基上面做，可以以{{維基數據人物明細}}做例子。另外好似Q32163017呢個項目嘅，應該嗰版改做跳轉版之前就已經開咗項目版，所以先至會有嗰個項目。 Shinjiman ⇔ ♨ 2022年9月14號 (三) 05:34 (UTC)

如果嗰版本身係跳轉嘅話，係唔會計入Special:UnconnectedPages裏面。 Shinjiman ⇔ ♨ 2022年9月14號 (三) 07:49 (UTC)

既然系統歡迎，得閒就做啦，唔得閒咪等有心人囉……或者善用中文版維基百科嗰啲多餘人手比較有效。其實駁過去冇乜實質作用，甚至有害；除非粵文版嗰篇有個得獎嘜頭，令到俾互聯網搜尋引擎帶咗去睇中文版嘅人，順便睇多個版本。寫長篇內容嘅人得咁少，唔應該太介意佢哋有些少壞習慣。當兩篇唔同名嘅文經維基數據相連，谷歌就會按偏頗規則，將中文版嗰篇標題唔完全匹配嘅，擺喺頭幾個搜尋結果之中，而當粵文版嗰篇標題完全匹配嘅多餘，唔畀人一下子見到；當兩篇同名，唔使多講……政治及商業打壓學術，搞到個問題好複雜。--110.174.132.162（討論） 2022年9月14號 (三) 08:59 (UTC)

Al12si提到Special:UnconnectedPages見到跳轉版，其實多數都係掛咗即刪模而未被處理嘅無效跳轉版。至於IP友提到連去中文維基嘅顧慮，我覺得如果篇文中文維基一早已經建立咗，粵維唔連過去係粵維蝕底；反而粵維率先建立嘅文，第日當中維跟風建立，連結嘅責任自然就落響中維嗰邊，粵維唔需要刻意幫手。--Kowlooner (傾偈) 2022年9月18號 (日) 14:20 (UTC)

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｢廣東話簡介｣ 求改錯字

有權改呢個模嘅可唔可以麻煩改幾個錯字？法文嗰段有兩個 ｢Cantonais｣，全部應該細楷（即係 ｢Bienvenue à la version Cantonais de Wikipédia. Le Cantonais est…｣ 入面嗰兩個）。法文同英文唔同，語言名唔係專有名詞；除非開句，否則一律細楷。（Cantonais 唔係唔可以大楷，但係係廣東人咁解，唔係廣東話。）

另外，最尾嘅 ｢populaire culture cantonaise｣ 應該係 ｢culture populaire cantonaise｣ 先啱。

不過有冇其他錯我唔知，我嘅法文係有限公司。

芬蘭文都有問題，不過冇解決方案⸺我睇到嘅係 ｢kantonilaiseen versioon｣ 係 ｢廣東人版本｣ (‐lainen = 人，字根 laise-，case ending -VVn 唔記得係乜，應該可能係 ｢來到｣ 之類)，唔係廣東話版本；廣東話版本應該係類似 ｢kantoniin versioon｣ （我個 case ending 應該錯咗，唔好信我）⸺我嘅芬蘭文係BB級以下，如果有人識芬蘭文我恁最好 check 下呢段。⸺Al12si (傾偈) 2022年8月26號 (五) 08:08 (UTC)

@Al12si：法文嗰到改咗。利申：我嘅法文都係有限公司。 ——Z423X5C6（傾偈） 2022年9月10號 (六) 08:59 (UTC)

芬蘭文部分嘅最新結果

芬蘭文部分我搵咗個芬蘭朋友睇過，佢覺得冇乜大問題，不過如果要清楚啲可以清楚啲。佢嘅回答係咁：

I have read the Finnish part several times and don't really find so much to correct in it.

我睇過芬蘭文嘅部分，睇過幾次都搵唔到有乜要改正嘅地方。

（我同佢講我覺得 ｢kantonilaiseen versioon｣ 有問題）

it could be phrased 'kantoninkieliseen versioon' and that would emphasize that it's about language not the people or location where it's spoken

可以寫 ｢kantoninkieliseen versioon｣ 強調指話，而唔係指人或者指講嗰種話嘅地方

But I don't think the issue is very big. Most of the use of language is somewhat ambiguous and people always have to interpret

不過我唔覺得係咁大嘅問題；凡係人話，通常都係有啲模糊，要讀者詮釋先得

如果有人有權限又想寫清楚啲，就係上面寫嘅咁改。⸺Al12si (傾偈) 2022年9月27號 (二) 05:51 (UTC)

Invitation to join the Movement Strategy Forum

Hello everyone,

The Movement Strategy Forum (MS Forum) is a multilingual collaborative space for all conversations about Movement Strategy implementation.

We are inviting all Movement participants to collaborate on the MS Forum. The goal of the forum is to build community collaboration, using an inclusive multilingual platform.

The Movement Strategy is a collaborative effort to imagine and build the future of the Wikimedia Movement. Anyone can contribute to the Movement Strategy, from a comment to a full-time project.

Join this forum with your Wikimedia account, engage in conversations, and ask questions in different languages.

The Movement Strategy and Governance team (MSG) launched the proposal for the MS Forum in May 2022. There was a 2-month community review period, which ended on 24 July 2022. The community review process included several questions that resulted in interesting conversations. You can read the Community Review Report.

We look forward to seeing you at the MS Forum!

Best regards,

Movement Strategy and Governance Team

VChang (WMF) (傾偈) 2022年8月30號 (二) 17:39 (UTC)

The 2022 Board of Trustees election Community Voting is about to close

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多啲話 • 請幫手去譯做你嘅語言

Hello,

The Community Voting period of the 2022 Board of Trustees election started on August 23, 2022, and will close on September 6, 2022 23:59 UTC. There’s still a chance to participate in this election. If you did not vote, please visit the SecurePoll voting page to vote now. To see about your voter eligibility, please visit the voter eligibility page. If you need help in making your decision, here are some helpful links:

• Try the Election Compass, showing how candidates stand on 15 different topics.
• Read the candidate statements and answers to Affiliate questions.
• Learn more about the skills the Board seek and how the Analysis Committee found candidates align with those skills.
• Watch the videos of the candidates answering questions proposed by the community. For translated versions, please see here.

Best,

Movement Strategy and Governance

VChang (WMF) (傾偈) 2022年9月2號 (五) 16:21 (UTC)

Revised Enforcement Draft Guidelines for the Universal Code of Conduct

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多啲話 • 請幫手去譯做你嘅語言

Hello everyone,

The Universal Code of Conduct Enforcement Guidelines Revisions committee is requesting comments regarding the Revised Enforcement Draft Guidelines for the Universal Code of Conduct (UCoC). This review period will be open from 8 September 2022 until 8 October 2022.

The Committee collaborated to revise these draft guidelines based on input gathered from the community discussion period from May through July, as well as the community vote that concluded in March 2022. The revisions are focused on the following four areas:

1. To identify the type, purpose, and applicability of the UCoC training;
2. To simplify the language for more accessible translation and comprehension by non-experts;
3. To explore the concept of affirmation, including its pros and cons;
4. To review the balancing of the privacy of the accuser and the accused

The Committee requests comments and suggestions about these revisions by 8 October 2022. From there, the Revisions Committee anticipates further revising the guidelines based on community input.

Find the Revised Guidelines on Meta, and a comparison page in some languages.

Everyone may share comments in a number of places. Facilitators welcome comments in any language on the Revised Enforcement Guidelines talk page. Comments can also be shared on talk pages of translations, at local discussions, or during conversation hours. There are a series of conversation hours planned about the Revised Enforcement Guidelines; please see Meta for the times and details.

The facilitation team supporting this review period hopes to reach a large number of communities. If you do not see a conversation happening in your community, please organize a discussion. Facilitators can assist you in setting up the conversations. Discussions will be summarized and presented to the drafting committee every two weeks. The summaries will be published here.

On behalf of the UCoC Project Team

There will be one conversation hour suitable for Asia-Pacific timezones happening this Friday, 16th September 10:00 UTC. Kindly sign up on the meta page if you are planning to attend, thank you! VChang (WMF) (傾偈) 2022年9月13號 (二) 14:33 (UTC)

Announcing the Preliminary Results of the 2022 Board of Trustees Election Community Voting Period

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多啲話 • 請幫手去譯做你嘅語言

Hi everyone,

Thank you to everyone who participated in the 2022 Board of Trustees election process. Your participation helps seat the trustees the community seeks on the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees.

These are the preliminary results of the 2022 Board of Trustees election:

• Shani Evenstein Sigalov
• Mike Peel

You may see more information about the Results and Statistics of this Board election.

The Board will complete their review of the most voted candidates, including conducting background checks. The Board plans to appoint new trustees at their meeting in December.

Best,

Movement Strategy and Governance

This message was sent on behalf of the Board Selection Task Force and the Elections Committee

VChang (WMF) (傾偈) 2022年9月22號 (四) 16:19 (UTC)

希伯來文嘅羅馬拼音

我想問下其實之前有冇傾過我哋會用邊隻拼音為主？因為我執過幾篇稿，見篇篇都用唔同嘅拼音方案；有時我見拼得太離譜會刪改，但係好多時我都唔會點理，淨係加句註釋話其實拼音冇統一，有其他拼法。

只係想知有冇傾過，同有冇乜嘢意見。⸺Al12si (傾偈) 2022年9月23號 (五) 00:03 (UTC)

中文維基百科嘅弊端

唔知大家點睇呢篇由IP用戶獨力編寫嘅文章，但我覺得入面話人「錯漏多、增長慢、內容少、專業貧」，套用落粵文維基百科都一樣，正宗係「迴力鏢」，甚至可以話係「百步笑五十步」。與其開篇文講人是非，不如落力去寫文，同改善返粵維自身嘅弊端。 Jason6698 (傾偈) 2022年10月4號 (二) 04:30 (UTC)

嗰篇文有大概一半係前人寫落咖，本用户做嘅係移位及擴充。佢嘅用途與閣下嘅願境並無衝突；希望有啲認真寫作嘅生手編輯者喺中文版被玩弄（改正陳年錯字被投訴「原創研究」，撮寫前人合法抄襲嘅政府宣傳稿被判定「持續破壞」……）過後，睇到嗰篇文明白自己衰乜，決定喺留人處——粵文版——試試。--110.174.132.162（討論） 2022年10月7號 (五) 08:23 (UTC)

《通用行為準則修訂執行指引》嘅諮詢期已經過咗

如果需要用第啲話睇爾個通告，可以去元維基搵

多啲話 • 請幫手去譯做你嘅語言

敬啓者：

通用行為準則修訂委員會喺爾度多謝大家喺《通用行為準則》（UCoC）嘅執行指引修訂草案嘅諮詢過程之中，獻出寶貴嘅時間來傾爾個指引、提議改善嘅地方同提出唔同嘅問題。唔該哂！

社羣諮詢期係2022年9月8號至10月8號，已經過咗。

喺過去嘅四個禮拜，通用行為準則專案小組透過咗唔同嘅渠道⸺包括畀維基人喺埋一齊傾爾個通用行為準則執行指引嘅三次對話時間⸺喺社羣度獲得咗寶貴嘅意見。

修訂委員會喺2022年10月嘅第二個星期會開返會，到時會研究社羣畀我哋嘅意見。通用行為準則專案小組會喺佢哋做嘢嘅過程中為佢哋提供更新，亦都會繼續向社羣報告任何重大嘅進展同埋有冇乜嘢里程碑達到咗。期間委員會會預備《通用行為準則執行指引》嘅最終版本，目前預料2023年1月中旬可以畀社羣投票確認。

　　此致
各位維基人

通用行為準則專案小組上

You can find answers on this page to the outstanding questions from the conversation hours. If you still have further comments or thoughts, please do not hesitate to reach out to me or leave your comments on, for example, the Movement Strategy Forum. -- VChang (WMF) (傾偈) 2022年10月19號 (三) 16:34 (UTC)

所以我仍然是粤维IP封禁豁免用户？

之前申请过，管理员回复是给临时性权限，我现在发现自己还可以编辑粤维，是说明我还有粤维IP封禁豁免吗？ 不慎言行非法师魔女 (傾偈) 2022年10月23號 (日) 09:21 (UTC)

@不慎言行非法师魔女：無，你嘅權限已經過咗期。可能係你嘅IP地址封鎖已經完咗。 ——Z423X5C6（傾偈） 2022年10月23號 (日) 09:43 (UTC)

粤维封锁会比别的地方要宽松吗？ 不慎言行非法师魔女 (傾偈) 2022年10月23號 (日) 09:55 (UTC)

@不慎言行非法师魔女：按個人觀察，這兒可能沒有總括性理由封鎖——突然之間説某用户「長期破壞」或「原創研究」，卻不指出錯在哪裏，或者以「一望而知」帶過……--110.174.132.162（討論） 2022年11月12號 (六) 20:26 (UTC)

Invitation to attend “Ask Me Anything about Movement Charter” Sessions

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多啲話 • 請幫手去譯做你嘅語言

Hello all,

During the 2022 Wikimedia Summit, the Movement Charter Drafting Committee (MCDC) presented the first outline of the Movement Charter, giving a glimpse on the direction of its future work, and the Charter itself. The MCDC then integrated the initial feedback collected during the Summit. Before proceeding with writing the Charter for the whole Movement, the MCDC wants to interact with community members and gather feedback on the drafts of the three sections: Preamble, Values & Principles, and Roles & Responsibilities (intentions statement). The Movement Charter drafts will be available on the Meta page here on November 14, 2022. Community wide consultation period on MC will take place from November 20 to December 18, 2022. Learn more about it here.

With the goal of ensuring that people are well informed to fully participate in the conversations and are empowered to contribute their perspective on the Movement Charter, three “Ask Me Anything about Movement Charter" sessions have been scheduled in different time zones. Everyone in the Wikimedia Movement is invited to attend these conversations. The aim is to learn about Movement Charter - its goal, purpose, why it matters, and how it impacts your community. MCDC members will attend these sessions to answer your questions and hear community feedback.

The “Ask Me Anything” sessions accommodate communities from different time zones. Only the presentation of the session is recorded and shared afterwards, no recording of conversations. Below is the list of planned events:

• Asia/Pacific: November 4, 2022 at 09:00 UTC (your local time). Interpretation is available in Chinese and Japanese.
• Europe/MENA/Sub Saharan Africa: November 12, 2022 at 15:00 UTC (your local time). Interpretation is available in Arabic, French and Russian.
• Latin America/North America/ Western Europe: November 12, 2022 at 15:00 UTC (your local time). Interpretation is available in Spanish and Portuguese.

On the Meta page you will find more details; Zoom links will be shared 48 hours ahead of the call.

Call for Movement Charter Ambassadors

Individuals or groups from all communities who wish to help include and start conversations in their communities on the Movement Charter are encouraged to become Movement Charter Ambassadors (MC Ambassadors). MC Ambassadors will carry out their own activities and get financial support for enabling conversations in their own languages. Regional facilitators from the Movement Strategy and Governance team are available to support applicants with MC Ambassadors grantmaking. If you are interested please sign up here. Should you have specific questions, please reach out to the MSG team via email: strategy2030@wikimedia.org or on the MS forum.

We thank you for your time and participation.

On behalf of the Movement Charter Drafting Committee, VChang (WMF) (傾偈) 2022年11月2號 (三) 18:45 (UTC)

Join the Movement Charter conversation hour for ESEAP region

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多啲話 • 請幫手去譯做你嘅語言

Dear all,

The Movement Charter Drafting Committee (MCDC) is currently collecting community feedback about three draft sections of the Movement Charter: Preamble, Values & Principles, and Roles & Responsibilities (statement of intent).

How can you participate and share your feedback?

The MCDC is looking forward to receiving all types of feedback in different languages from the community members across the Movement and Affiliates. You can participate in the following ways:

• Attend one of the scheduled community conversation hours with MCDC members; detail for the ESEAP session below;
• Fill out a survey (optional and anonymous);
• Share your thoughts and feedback on the Meta talk page;
• Share your thoughts and feedback on the Movement Strategy Forum:
  • Preamble
  • Values & Principles
  • Roles & Responsibilities (statement of intent); or
• Send an email to movementcharterwikimedia.org if you have other feedback to the MCDC.

The community consultation session for the ESEAP region will take place on Friday, 9 December 2022 at 09:00-10:30 UTC. The session will be held on Zoom; the link will be shared at the page 48 hours before the session. Live interpretation in Chinese, Japanese, and Indonesian will be available. The conversations will not be recorded, except for the section where participants are invited to share what they discussed in the breakout rooms. The facilitation team will take notes and produce a summary report afterwards.

If you want to learn more about the Movement Charter, its goals, why it matters and how it impacts your community, please watch the recording of the “Ask Me Anything about Movement Charter” sessions which took place earlier in November 2022. You can also watch the recording in Chinese and in Japanese.

Thank you for your participation.

On behalf of the Movement Charter Drafting Committee,

VChang (WMF) (傾偈) 2022年12月2號 (五) 15:51 (UTC)

Movement Charter: Current Community Consultation Coming to An End

Hi everyone,

On behalf of the Movement Charter Drafting Committee (MCDC), we would like to thank everyone who has participated in our first community wide consultation period on the Movement Charter.

People from across the Movement shared their feedback and thoughts on the content of the Movement Charter. If you have not had the chance to share your opinion yet, you are welcome to do so still by giving the drafts a read and filling out the anonymous survey, which is accessible in 12+ languages (Available in Banjar, English, Indonesian, Japanese, Mandarin Chinese and more). The deadline has been extended; the survey will now close on January 2, 2023. You are also invited to continue to share your thoughts with the MCDC via email (movementcharter@wikimedia.org).

What’s next?

The Movement Strategy and Governance team will publish the final report with the summary of the feedback received in January 2023. It will be shared with the MCDC and the communities via different distribution channels.

After receiving the final report, the MCDC will review the suggestions and communicate the changes by providing an explanation on how and why suggestions were or were not adopted in the next versions of the drafts. There will be additional ways to engage with the Movement Charter content in 2023, including early feedback on a proposed ratification process and new drafts of different chapters in the second quarter of 2023.

We invite you to sign-up to the MCDC monthly newsletter, it will be delivered to the Talk page of your choice. Monthly updates are available on Meta to remain updated on the progress of the MCDC.

You can view the relevant local conversations in East, Southeast Asia and the Pacific from the Movement Charter Ambassadors on this page. If you miss this round, you can still sign-up to become one in the future. The Movement Charter Ambassadors Grant Program will restart accepting applications from both individuals and groups ahead of the next round of consultations in the second quarter of 2023.

We thank you for your participation, time and effort in helping to build the Charter for our Movement!

Sending on behalf of the Movement Charter Drafting Committee,

VChang (WMF) (傾偈) 2022年12月19號 (一) 10:26 (UTC)

Upcoming vote on the revised Enforcement Guidelines for the Universal Code of Conduct

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多啲話 • 請幫手去譯做你嘅語言

Hello all,

In mid-January 2023, the Enforcement Guidelines for the Universal Code of Conduct will undergo a second community-wide ratification vote. This follows the March 2022 vote, which resulted in a majority of voters supporting the Enforcement Guidelines. During the vote, participants helped highlight important community concerns. The Board’s Community Affairs Committee requested that these areas of concern be reviewed.

The volunteer-led Revisions Committee worked hard reviewing community input and making changes. They updated areas of concern, such as training and affirmation requirements, privacy and transparency in the process, and readability and translatability of the document itself.

The revised Enforcement Guidelines can be viewed here, and a comparison of changes can be found here.

How to vote?

Beginning January 17, 2023, voting will be open. This page on Meta-wiki outlines information on how to vote using SecurePoll.

Who can vote?

The eligibility requirements for this vote are the same as for the Wikimedia Board of Trustees elections. See the voter information page for more details about voter eligibility. If you are an eligible voter, you can use your Wikimedia account to access the voting server.

What happens after the vote?

Votes will be scrutinized by an independent group of volunteers, and the results will be published on Wikimedia-l, the Movement Strategy Forum, Diff and on Meta-wiki. Voters will again be able to vote and share concerns they have about the guidelines. The Board of Trustees will look at the levels of support and concerns raised as they look at how the Enforcement Guidelines should be ratified or developed further.

On behalf of the UCoC Project Team,

VChang (WMF) (傾偈) 2023年1月11號 (三) 17:07 (UTC)

Voting now open on the revised Enforcement Guidelines for the Universal Code of Conduct

Hello all,

The voting period for the revised Universal Code of Conduct Enforcement Guidelines is now open! Voting will be open for two weeks and will close at 23:59 UTC on January 31, 2023. Please visit the voter information page on Meta-wiki for voter eligibility information and details on how to vote.

For more details on the Enforcement Guidelines and the voting process, see our previous message.

On behalf of the UCoC Project Team,

VChang (WMF) (傾偈) 2023年1月18號 (三) 10:30 (UTC)

Universal Code of Conduct revised enforcement guidelines vote results

The recent community-wide vote on the Universal Code of Conduct revised Enforcement Guidelines has been tallied and scrutinized. Thank you to everyone who participated.

After 3097 voters from 146 Wikimedia communities voted, the results are 76% in support of the Enforcement Guidelines, and 24% in opposition. Statistics for the vote are available. A more detailed summary of comments submitted during the vote will be published soon.

From here, the results and comments collected during this vote will be submitted to the Board of Trustees for their review. The current expectation is that the Board of Trustees review process will complete in March 2023. We will update you when their review process is completed.

On behalf of the UCoC Project Team,

VChang (WMF) (傾偈) 2023年2月15號 (三) 10:36 (UTC)

銀紙嘅文章名

宜家係用地區 + 銀碼 +「蚊紙」，好似香港十蚊紙、星加坡一萬蚊紙、歐羅五百蚊紙咁。但係咁樣似乎唔夠準確，例如「香港十蚊紙」其實都可以指歷史上香港用過嘅軍票，或者假如有個文章叫「匈牙利十蚊紙」嘅話，咁可以指匈牙利福林或者匈牙利克朗；而且「蚊」通常係指港元或者其他用元做單位嘅貨幣，叫「歐羅十蚊紙」似乎唔多啱。我諗到幾個名代替，但各自都有自己嘅問題：

• 貨幣 + 銀碼 +「蚊紙」（例如「港幣十蚊紙」）：準確表示乜嘢貨幣，但係「歐羅十蚊」呢個問題仍然存在
• 銀碼 + 貨幣 +「銀紙」（例如「十港幣銀紙」）：似乎有啲繑口
• 銀碼 +「蚊」+ 貨幣 +「銀紙」（例如「十蚊港幣銀紙」）：比上面順口，但係又有返第一個嘅問題（「十蚊歐羅」）
• 「十蚊港紙」：順口，但係可能有歧義（「港紙」可以指銀紙或者港幣本身），同埋得港紙可以咁樣改名

請問大家有無咩提議？香蕉紳士 (傾偈) 2023年2月15號 (三) 14:53 (UTC)

唔記得咗「歐羅」都可以叫「歐元」添，可能用「英鎊」做例子好啲。香蕉紳士 (傾偈) 2023年2月16號 (四) 21:16 (UTC)

Community feedback-cycle about updating the Wikimedia Terms of Use starts

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多啲話 • 請幫手去譯做你嘅語言

Hello everyone,

Wikimedia Foundation Legal Department is organizing a feedback-cycle with community members to discuss updating the Wikimedia Terms of Use.

The Terms of Use (ToU) are the legal terms that govern the use of websites hosted by the Wikimedia Foundation. We will be gathering your feedback on a draft proposal from February through April. The draft will be translated into several languages, with written feedback accepted in any language.

This update comes in response to several things:

• Implementing the Universal Code of Conduct
• Updating project text to the Creative Commons BY-SA 4.0 license
• Proposal for better addressing undisclosed paid editing
• Bringing our terms in line with current and recently passed laws affecting the Foundation, including the European Digital Services Act

As part of the feedback cycle two office hours will be held, the first on March 2, the second on April 4.

For further information, please consult:

• The proposed update of the ToU by comparison
• The page for your feedback
• Information about the office hours

On behalf of the Wikimedia Foundation Legal Team,

VChang (WMF) (傾偈) 2023年2月21號 (二) 17:10 (UTC)

重要：管理員活動覆檢

你好。響2013年通過咗一個全域社群共識嘅政策係同拎走「上級權限」（管理員，事務員，介面管理員，等）有關嘅。根據呢件政策，執行員依家覆檢緊響全部Wikipedia Foundation上面未有唔活躍政策嘅管理員嘅活動。基於我哋已經知道最多嘅嘢，你嘅wiki係未有一個由唔活躍戶口度拎走「上級權限」嘅正式程序。噉即係執行員會跟住管理員活躍覆檢嘅程序做嘢。

我哋已經認定咗下面嘅用戶掂到個唔活躍嘅條件（響多過2年度無編輯同埋無日誌紀錄）：

1. 昏君 (管理員)

呢啲嘅用戶將會收到通知，去問佢哋開始一個社群討論度問吓佢哋想留返佢哋一部份或者全部嘅權限。如果嗰用戶冇應機嘅話，噉佢哋嘅上級權限就會由執行員拎走。

之但係，如果作為你嘅社群想去開一個你自己嘅活動覆檢程序去替代呢個全域嘅一個嘅話，想去幫呢啲唔活躍權限持有者做另一個決定，又或者已經有一個政策而我哋溜咗嘅話，噉就去通知響維基元嘅執行員噉我哋就會知道響你嘅wiki度唔再繼續個權限覆檢。多謝哂， Uncitoyen (傾偈) 2023年2月24號 (五) 16:06 (UTC)

大家點睇「藝人個人作品模」？

見到近排有人開幾個「藝人個人作品模」（包括Template:方力申、Template:吳卓羲、Template:佘詩曼），唔知大家點睇？我就覺得冇乜需要存在。先假設只收錄主演作品，以一個影視作品基本有兩男主角兩女主角計，如果呢類模普及化，每篇影視作品文至少要掛住四個藝人嘅模；如果連做配角同戲份少嘅演出都收錄落個模度，一篇影視作品文隨時要掛十幾個藝人嘅模，好唔現實。中文維基有嘅，粵文維基唔一定要死跟。 （另外，如果最後大家共識係容許呢類模存在，我覺得最低限度都唔好將個模搞到Template:吳卓羲咁花哩花碌。） Jason6698 (傾偈) 2023年3月2號 (四) 15:37 (UTC)

個人認為任何花碌碌到咁嘅模都唔得，我住加拿大安省，如果係大公司網站，整成咁技術上法例唔准，理由係視力岐視。 Al12si (傾偈) 2023年3月2號 (四) 22:24 (UTC)

無論願唔願意接受都好，中文維基對粵文維基確係有唔細嘅影響力，所以中文維基有嘅嘢，粵文維基要禁絕係唔容易嘅事（嗰幾個模根本就係直接由中文維基抄過嚟），比較易執行嘅只能夠盡量規範化。我提議首先配色上一係用返標準Navbox配色，一係用同藝人模同一配色（男藝人藍色女藝人紅色），唔准自創配色；第二就係內容上唔應該所有演出都收錄，而應該只限「領銜主演」嘅角色。而家Template:吳卓羲連佢初出道喺皆大歡喜做茄哩啡都收錄，好明顯唔合適。對於唔遵守規範嘅模，就大條道理刪除。--Alfakwan (傾偈) 2023年3月3號 (五) 11:58 (UTC)

簡單插句，藝人事幹唔牽涉到具體嘅商業版權或者生人問題之類話，唔應該強行使用規例去限制返自由採編。 Al12si君提點到視角範疇，諗嚟會係好入手啲嘅位，

各位若果係要討論返點對本地模組配置，做返啲有少少約束建議嘅本地化，應該直頭就試下細化下防止視覺方面歧視嘅本地條款，就著呢類型嘅個案check下本地化可信度有咩掂同有咩唔掂，唔好搞太多其他限制，唔係嘅話好易又會玩出新火頭。呢啲都係個人睇法，大家可以繼續傾。 Longway22 (傾偈) 2023年3月13號 (一) 08:39 (UTC)