User talk:WikiCantona/20080819184612
historicality
[編輯]- 有嘢講：/Comment：
Chinese has a very abstract written form (the Character) in the past, in classical Chinese, the written form has its own grammar, which nothing resemble real speech. The character itself has no sound in it.
The reform in 1910s abandoned the old written form, in favor of the new form based on the mandarin dialect. Still using the character, yet switch to mandarin's wording and grammar.
Hence, historically, there is no such things as written Cantonese, a written form based on chinese character, Cantonese grammar and wording.
What people tried to write down Cantonese, it is based on spoken form. To make the distinction to the Mandarin based Chinese - taken the place of Written Chinese (to their mind, is the only written form), for the communicative purpose, 口語寫嘢 means something differed from 書面語。
--WikiCantona 2008年8月19號 (二) 19:14 (UTC)
文言 was derived and refined from ancient speech.
[編輯]- 有嘢講：/Comment： And similarly we can write Cantonese in a refined, logical and grammatical form.
--* -- :-) Hillgentleman | 書 | 二零零八年八月十九號（星期二）格林尼治 19點16分07秒。 2008年8月19號 (二) 19:16 (UTC)
Constructed more - refinement here mean
[編輯]- 有嘢講：/Comment：
I am not sure, how much classical Chinese was derived and how much was constricted after many thousand years. I am not denying that you can write refined, logical Cantonese. In the article I only point out the fact that what people think.
--WikiCantona 2008年8月19號 (二) 19:28 (UTC)
If you are representing what some people think, please cite the exact source and be clear that it is just an opinion.
[編輯]- 有嘢講：/Comment： I checked one of the pages that you quoted and i couldn't find anything. Perhaps I was too careless. Sorry.
--* -- :-) Hillgentleman | 書 | 二零零八年八月十九號（星期二）格林尼治 19點32分00秒。 2008年8月19號 (二) 19:32 (UTC)
And back to the original question:
[編輯]- 有嘢講：/Comment： Why do we need the following sentence: "寫出嚟嘅粵語（即係呢 篇文講緊嘅粵文）就等同寫口語"? And what exactly does it mean?
I also write what I say; only that I think more before I write something down, since I have more time, and that I may go back to edit what I have written.
--* -- :-) Hillgentleman | 書 | 二零零八年八月十九號（星期二）格林尼治 19點33分36秒。 2008年8月19號 (二) 19:33 (UTC)
- 有嘢講：/Comment：
It will be rewritten after I have more time to rethink about it, or put some note to explain.