Wikipedia:城市論壇

歡迎嚟到城市論壇。呢一組頁面係用嚟討論有關技術問題、政策，同埋維基百科嘅運作，分成五個地方。

呢版唔係用嚟做討論。請用下面嘅表去搵出最適合嘅部份貼文，或者貼喺「雜項」部份。請喺有關嘅版度貼文時簽名同埋加上日期（用~~~~或者喺編輯工具列中撳一下簽名掣）。

城市論壇小節
政策 監察 去討論現有同埋建議嘅政策	技術 監察 去討論技術性問題。有關wiki軟件嘅臭蟲報告請用Phabricator	提議 監察 去討論同政策無關嘅新提議。	諗法實驗室 監察 喺貼俾社群之前提議討論諗法同埋嘗試搵有關問題嘅解決方法	雜項 監察 去貼唔能夠符合任何類別嘅信息
一次過去睇城市論壇所有嘅部份

唔使等到星期日嘅中午十二點，亦都唔使拎張飛，隨時隨地都可以嚟呢個論壇度討論維基百科嘅大小事情 [加]
呢個地方就好似一個熱廚房噉，當有人討論一啲議題嗰陣，呢個論壇係會搵嚟一啲嘉賓或者台下觀眾發言去改善佢哋嘅嘢。

其它幫手同埋討論位置

我想……					去邊度
一次過瀏覽晒全部「城市討論」嘅議題					城市論壇 (全部)
知道點用維基百科					幫助櫃枱
查詢特定嘅事實（例如邊個係第一位教宗？）					詢問處
為某篇文章提出建設性嘅批評					同儕互評
幫手解決某一篇文章所引起嘅爭執或者投訴某用戶行為					請求意見
喺某篇文章加上您嘅評論					文章嘅對話頁
睇其他維基媒體嘅計劃					元維基
知道點樣喺一本書或雜誌度引用維基百科					引用維基百科
報告複製自維基百科內容嘅網站					鏡像同埋分叉

呢個係城市論壇 (全部)嘅頁面，係會列出現時所有嘅討論以便閱讀。去城市論壇睇吓城市討論嘅部份，又或者撳吓喺每一個小節中嘅編輯連結去表達你嘅意見。要睇吓喺呢一頁嘅全部修訂，撳喺上面嘅歷史連結，並依照螢光幕上面嘅指示。

撳吓呢度去清除喺呢一頁嘅伺服器快取（去睇響城市討論部份嘅最近更改）

多過7日嘅討論（根據最後嘅評論）會被移到每個部份嘅分頁（叫做(小節名)/歸檔）。哩啲嘅討論會再喺嗰度保留7日。喺哩一段嘅時間嘅討論，如果可以嘅話，就可以移動到有關嘅對話頁。喺7日之後嘅討論會喺歸檔頁同埋主頁度刪除。佢哋之前嘅討論仍然可以喺佢哋嘅頁面歷史中搵到（可能會比較難搵到）但係唔可以搜尋到。

政策

是日好文無限 loop，試用版

我的起心肝整咗個是日好文無限 loop 系統。頭版更新草稿喺度：User:Deryck_Chan/頭版試機。留意右邊「時人時事」同「當年今日」中間加咗「是日好文」。呢個專欄背後係一條隊，裝晒所有好文嘅撮要，每日自動換一次畫。

如果大家望落鍾意嘅，我就更新頭版，加呢個「是日好文」上去，然後寫埋Wikipedia:是日好文上面嘅指示。翹仔 (傾偈) 2019年7月30號 (二) 23:13 (UTC)

• 十卜。恐狼博士 (傾偈) 2019年7月31號 (三) 00:40 (UTC)
• 個樣幾好，得嘅。--S7w4j9 (傾偈) 2019年8月2號 (五) 08:38 (UTC)

我諗如果一個禮拜都冇人反對，我就更新咗個頭版版面先。實際運作模式喺上咗頭版之後可以再改。我其中諗緊嘅一樣嘢係：不如將所有已經上過頭版「是日正文」嘅正文加埋落條好文無限 loop 隊？翹仔 (傾偈) 2019年8月2號 (五) 13:06 (UTC)

我唔係反對，不過而家好文數量太少（64篇正文 vs 4篇好文），上頭版可能會自曝其短，來來去去loop幾篇文都幾尷尬。如果等到有多啲好文先至放頭版，可能會更好。--Kowlooner (傾偈) 2019年8月4號 (日) 14:21 (UTC)

@Kowlooner： 我其中一個諗法係將所有上過頭版嘅正文加晒落去條隊度，噉就順手解決埋User:恐狼博士之前提出過，點解一篇文做過兩三個月頭版正文之後就永遠唔會再上頭版嘅問題。翹仔 (傾偈) 2019年8月7號 (三) 17:48 (UTC)

順帶一提，噉不如將正表都加埋落去條隊嗰度（雖然家陣仲未有）？恐狼博士 (傾偈) 2019年8月8號 (四) 06:06 (UTC)

可以啊。一齊幫手加！翹仔 (傾偈) 2019年8月9號 (五) 10:24 (UTC)

好。我過兩個禮拜寫 Glossary of video game terms，睇吓可唔可以幫粵維添個正表。恐狼博士 (傾偈) 2019年8月9號 (五) 14:25 (UTC)

@Deryck Chan： 我諗諗吓，不如如果一篇文當選咗做正表，佢就自動做埋好文？做得正表嘅質素實會有返噉上下，所以噉做嘅話可以慳返啲評審時間。恐狼博士 (傾偈) 2019年9月3號 (二) 22:25 (UTC)

@恐狼博士：理論上，正表同正文都係高過好文嘅榮譽。如果我哋加晒所有正文同正表入好文無限 loop 隊，就唔使執著正表應唔應該同時係好文嘅問題。翹仔 (傾偈) 2019年9月23號 (一) 17:19 (UTC)

@Deryck Chan： OK。恐狼博士 (傾偈) 2019年9月23號 (一) 23:48 (UTC)

我開始咗加啲正文，由最舊嘅加起。翹仔 (傾偈) 2019年10月5號 (六) 23:34 (UTC)

因應實際對部分指引做本地修訂

睇到依家嘅宣傳機器侵擾，成為咗國際級嘅事態，同埋近排對粵語圍嘅一啲負面思潮仲上升得好牙煙，本編將會著手對本地嘅一啲既有指引WP:NOT、WP:RELY等做出跟進修訂，會做埋一啲本地化嘅補正，同中英文嘅原條文可能會有一啲出入。初步係諗著增加啲針對個別事態下嘅條文，以日落條款形式，保持返本地空間喺嘅持平同自主獨立。

由於本地所依賴嘅資訊文獻等，仲依賴著非母語嘅載體同渠道，亦估計咗修訂會有機會喺技術上，限制咗一啲編輯嘅可信度，亦希望主力施行方針指引嘅編輯代表，執行既定方針陣，可以依據返既有狀況、編輯經驗、專業觸角等酌情裁量。本編才識粗疏，各位友善編輯讀者等，亦歡迎指教參詳，做出良好嘅討論。——Longway22 (傾偈) 2019年8月30號 (五) 05:12 (UTC)

• 初步翻譯同本地化咗WP:SCHOLARSHIP、WP:NEWSORG、WP:BIASED、WP:NOT#BUREAUCRACY。備檢視。——Longway22 (傾偈) 2019年8月30號 (五) 08:59 (UTC)

將所有檔案都搬到同享之上

由於本百科都開業咁耐，有啲古老圖片留喺本百科。管理嘅人唔多，睇來難以睇實咁多圖片，判斷版權事宜。建議交由同享決定去留。並且停上畀維基友上載。

本百科全部用同享檔案，唔知技術係咪可行？諸位又有乜意見呢？

HenryLi (傾偈) 2019年9月3號 (二) 18:48 (UTC)

一路都叫緊人上載自由圖片到同享，但總係有人唔聽話。至於係咪停咗成個上載功能，真係要諗清楚，雖然可以減少管理工作，但代價係連合理使用嘅圖都無得再用，所以呢個應該係最後行嘅一步。--Kowlooner (傾偈) 2019年9月8號 (日) 13:05 (UTC)

同享系咩野来家？--⼥⼉ (傾偈) 2019年9月14號 (六) 18:55 (UTC)

維基同享。SC96 (傾偈) 2019年9月15號 (日) 01:10 (UTC)

全部用commons技術上應該可行。你哋可以考慮下整一個程式，將所有自由版權嘅檔案自動轉載上去commons，然後本地delete。Sanmosa _54歲少女 2019年11月12號 (二) 09:12 (UTC)

建議通過Wikipedia:濫用規則

我喺呢度正式動議通過Wikipedia:濫用規則，一來係聽到一啲聲音嘅要求，二來係為咗貼近返其他維基百科嘅水準。詳細條文大家自己撳入去睇。Sanmosa _54歲少女 2019年11月12號 (二) 09:17 (UTC)

呢個方案我表示舉手舉腳讚成！因爲呢個WP我係遇到Roy17嘅八爪魚式惡意攻擊同埋以前嘅s7w4j9出現嘅幾單出口傷人事件而搞。我希望盡快通過噉嘅議案，費事夜長夢多。--PQ77wd (傾偈) 2019年11月12號 (二) 09:21 (UTC)

我對而家提案有一樣嘢有保留：全部案例好似都針對同一個人，好似唔係幾好...同埋啲案例咁詳細，我覺得反而會有en:WP:BEANS效應。翹仔 (傾偈) 2019年11月12號 (二) 11:57 (UTC)

要坐正位嘅話，依家嘅版本係會有啲太過似大字報類型。或者係單獨拎走啲案例，就做成個社群自行參考嘅快勞，條款可能就冇咁偏頗。而粵維度亦仲有唔少潛力，可以多啲討論，覺得呢度要搞得仲更接地、靈活同公允嘅，個框架仲有得繼續發掘。——Longway22 (傾偈) 2019年11月12號 (二) 15:57 (UTC)

@Deryck Chan： 呢度啲案件唔係全部案例都針對同一個人，重有涉及第二個人。因為以前嘅s7w4j9鬧人嘅事都有包括。我都希望搵多啲同s7w4j9鬧人嘅事。--PQ77wd (傾偈) 2019年11月13號 (三) 04:56 (UTC)

@Longway22： 案例嘅我可以寫入討論頁，因為大字報案例喺中國大陸話點樣預防再發生嘅類似案例（喺街邊黐喺墻上啲公益宣傳單張都成日見到），都有詳細列出嚟（例如近排嘅電動單車火燭、五類車非法營運出事嘅案、重有以前有出現非法幫襯黑診所案例……）。--PQ77wd (傾偈) 2019年11月13號 (三) 05:00 (UTC)

@Longway22、PQ77wd： 噉，不如抽起晒啲案例，擺入另一版留底？翹仔 (傾偈) 2019年11月15號 (五) 13:13 (UTC)

唔錯，就係唔知改個乜名會好啲。——Longway22 (傾偈) 2019年11月15號 (五) 13:35 (UTC)

@Longway22： 你話「濫用規則」應該改過第個名？翹仔 (傾偈) 2019年11月28號 (四) 11:02 (UTC)

唔係，話個參考檔，唔係話方針本身。——Longway22 (傾偈) 2019年11月28號 (四) 11:19 (UTC)

我就噉擺咗啲案例喺Wikipedia_talk:濫用規則。翹仔 (傾偈) 2019年11月28號 (四) 15:38 (UTC)

睇嚟冇人反對，所以我嘜咗Wikipedia:濫用規則做正式指引。翹仔 (傾偈) 2020年2月13號 (四) 11:10 (UTC)

係咪應該通知點咗名嘅人？冇通知涉及嘅人都可以通過咩？甘唔合常理同規則嘅？

@S7w4j9： @Roy17： 提到你地喎。--Iphoneuser88 (傾偈) 2020年2月29號 (六) 22:24 (UTC)

我冇乜意見嘅，呢個規則訂立嘅呼聲係因應乜嘢，熟悉呢度事務同歷史嘅人都會清楚，我自己亦唔反對。至於點名呢件小事，羅列人哋點點點、咩咩咩，我好明顯不屑，因爲細細數落，寫大字報嗰位亦係唔少問題，但佢唔躬身自省，呢個係咪亦都係濫用規則？但呢啲嘢，講多咗非常塞滯，非常、非常之塞滯，亦都講到厭，所以我都係放過一馬嘅心態。一隻指頭指人哋，四隻指頭㨃自己，放生人哋亦都係放過自己嗟。--S7w4j9 (傾偈) 2020年3月1號 (日) 14:23 (UTC)

應改變粵維書寫政策

之前討論：Wikipedia:城市論壇_(政策)/歸檔/2019年6月#反對實際上係錯別字嘅偽本字政策，反對將修正錯別字行爲定義作「無建設性嘅編輯」。

個問題仲未解決。如果唔想離地變成少數人閉門造車嘅遊樂場，就應該盡量用番約定俗成嘅原則去寫。如果唔係，我哋同話「狏」係「dog」嘅本字有咩分別？。本人推薦用語言學專家擇言歸納出的揀字原則，放棄粵維嘅偽本字方針。-Cangjie6 (傾偈) 2019年12月25號 (三) 18:53 (UTC)

@Cangjie6： 舊年共識似乎係唔好用偽本字喎。仲有冇人反對你改走啲偽本字？翹仔 (傾偈) 2020年2月13號 (四) 11:08 (UTC)

順道一講，篇文根本無乜意思，純粹要反。本字有研究好過無研究，抱懷疑論即可。並唔係隻隻都唔啱，合理程度都有分別。乜都拎來用固然唔好，乜都反就更加唔合理。例如畀、俾、比，本字就有清楚嘅辨義之用。古籍散見渠字，同佢義相合。渠為本字，都唔會改渠字，佢字更之達意。有人寫中意，有人寫鍾意，兩者皆達意，無乜所謂。依家寫如今，家下寫今下，更為達意，又有乜問題？無必要夾硬執理一邊，全用全反都係唔好。

乜叉底層都唔係廣東話主要部份。現今語音研究，廣東話係唐末到宋大量移民嘅結果。去到大明時，廣東連山民都歸化晒。過程係至少五六百到千多年前。研究嗰啲底層有學術意思，然而無必要捨本逐末，誇大其談。就算係其他話，配個唐字，又有乜問題？菠菜唐時寫菠棱，原本係外邦話。唐字本身，不限於一時一地一話，上古七國咁亂，各有各話，咪一樣可以用。

兼且，愛好廣東話，有感情，引以自豪，有優越感都好正常。唔通下下要懶係無情，或者要自卑一番？咁樣又有乜幫助？若無感情，如何推動人去做事？篇文一方面反對人考據，另一面又要規管人哋點寫，要人割斷歷史，真係好鬼恐佈。廣東話字典依啲大把人做咗，清末到依家都有人做，講到好似佢個網站先係做事咁，就亂總結話人迷失方向。另外，歷史先至愛地方愛文化嘅根。

HenryLi (傾偈) 2020年2月15號 (六) 01:05 (UTC)

@HenryLi： 其實我唔覺上面引用擇言嗰兩篇文有「為反而反」嘅感覺。兩篇文只係引入咗兩個幾時有常用俗字就唔好用「本字」嘅原則啫：

1. 如果本字生僻而且考究根據認受性低，就唔好勉強用本字
2. 如果因為語音分化，導致使用本字會引入語音上冇嘅歧義，噉就寧願用俗字，避免歧義。

「畀」、「俾」，「中意」、「鍾意」冇呢兩個問題(所以亦唔見得粵維急於標準化)；「今下」、「渠」寫本字有歧義所以避免使用；亦有啲近年越來越被否證嘅本字推論，例如「尐」，呢啲亦應避免用。@Chaaak： 上面引文作者講兩句？翹仔 (傾偈) 2020年2月17號 (一) 17:31 (UTC)

「返返香港」「未來未來」（無奈笑）。汩汩银泉 (傾偈) 2020年2月17號 (一) 19:06 (UTC)

「番番香港」「番番禺」HenryLi (傾偈) 2020年2月18號 (二) 19:58 (UTC)

@Deryck Chan： 我簡單回應先。「今下」「渠」呢啲詞，同現時嘅發音同今日相距太遠，寫「今下」出嚟，問十個粵語人有九個半都會讀做 gam1 haa6 而唔係 gaa1 haa5。呢個已經唔係單純歧義嘅問題。你可以繼續寫「今下」，但係一般人睇唔明噉解。至於歧義問題，我哋唔刻意製造問題，都一樣會有。正如 HenryLi 所講，係要寫嘅人去解決。 Chaaak (傾偈) 2020年2月22號 (六) 04:04 (UTC)

「警察畀市民警告」汩汩银泉 (傾偈) 2020年2月17號 (一) 19:19 (UTC)

@汩汩银泉： 呢個唔係正字嘅問題啦。喺粵語語境入面，無論寫「畀」、「俾」、「被」、甚至「比」，意思都係「市民警告警察」。如果有人理解錯，係因為佢記錯咗粵語賓格同與格嘅語序 (例如受普通話「警察給市民一個警告」影響)... 翹仔 (傾偈) 2020年2月24號 (一) 16:31 (UTC)

篇文主旨根本唔係我哋講嗰樣嘢。篇文論調係放大一啲問題去否定一切，結論直情話要人放棄本字研究，標題已開宗明義話研究迷失方向。廣東話本字研究，百年來一直係主流，喺廣東話學術上有好重角色，書寫廣東話其中一種推動力，並唔係佢講到迷失方向。「畀」同「中意」都係研究結果。

一向強調，寫同講係兩回事，無人下下一字一音咁寫，文句未經提煉，根本唔係寫文。兼且，人有智力寫出無歧義嘅嘢。無論有無正字，歧義與否，皆出於寫者本身。

例如篇文唔用本字，寫「比」字，要歧義一樣得。例如「我比你大。」「比一次。」

又如本字「雞髀」寫做「雞脾」，都係亂意。咁係咪受先？

@HenryLi： 喂，「雞髀」同「雞脾」唔同喎，各派系都同意「脾」係 pei4「脾臟」，「雞脾」係錯字，未聽過有寫慣「雞脾」嘅人要逼人放棄「雞髀」規範... 翹仔 (傾偈) 2020年2月24號 (一) 16:42 (UTC)

有人唔寫本字「使」字寫「洗」字又點？

若果話約定俗成，「尐」字都已經步入約定俗成一員，為人所認識。約定俗成實在好難一既而論。按，個人來講唔覺佢係本字，「的」同「之」字解釋更加簡單。

既然有人引篇文，先至順便喺度講出篇文問題。爭議至大嗰啲字，都係得一個維基友會用嗰啲字，而且佢跳咗場唔點喺度寫。

況且，本百科夠開放，人人都改寫得，從來都唔使下下管死晒，可以自由就自由。本字爭議根本唔大，無必要一竹篙打晒。

HenryLi (傾偈) 2020年2月18號 (二) 19:58 (UTC)

比較嘅「比」，同由授受義「畀/俾」發展出嚟嘅用法呢兩組，當然要分啦。反對「考本字」唔代表反對「正字法」、書寫規範。我只係反對一啲既冇共礎，亦冇歷史支持嘅盲目分化。例如「畀/俾」向來都係本字、俗字嘅關係，歷時語言學都話我哋知，表達「給予」「被動」「蒙受」「許可」呢啲用法全都係同一個語素發展出嚟，噉點解要夾硬整一啲新嘅分化出嚟呢？

「尐」字嘅流行完全係一派人睇咗個錯嘅本字考據，然後四處推廣嘅結果。至少喺香港用粵文嘅群體，一篇文一有「尐」字下面只會有一堆粗口回應。可見呢個字有排都未去到約定俗成。

上面呢句我覺得總結得好好，「如果本字生僻而且考究根據認受性低，就唔好勉強用本字」。 Chaaak (傾偈) 2020年2月22號 (六) 04:04 (UTC)

根本無謂搞咁多嘢。「尐」字出自孔仲南本廣東方言，卷十釋情狀，都八九十年，並唔係近年先至有。有一班人用已經係約定成啦，某人認同唔認，根本無關要旨。更重要係，大家憑乜嘢去規範人哋寫邊隻字先？依啲嘢一百個人有一百種意見，邊個有依個權威先？就算有權威，都唔代表佢有權控制所有人要咁寫。咁不如由佢自然發展。與其咁得閒拗依啲嘢，不如寫出一百幾十文，做啲有無益於本百科嘅事好過啦。至少開文嗰刻係自己習慣。HenryLi (傾偈) 2020年2月22號 (六) 08:25 (UTC)

基於而家嘅發展環境，「本字」同「俗字」仲係都可以共存嘅，只要唔係話猛咁要滅絕核心嘅文明基礎，呢度仲係要保持著開放共榮嘅空間。各編輯相信都可以有自由，去理解呢家嘅本字參考。若冇咗可以適當審視嘅基準，而家嚟講或者會極消極嘅做法，可能削弱埋粵圍經已非常之危危乎嘅凝聚力。喺有更多人手資源等嘅支援陣，粵字書寫參考嘅適當標準化，相信係粵圍未來嘅關鍵之一。——Longway22 (傾偈) 2020年2月19號 (三) 03:40 (UTC)

極之同意，根本可共存。有時人好想控制人跟自己一套，下下都想立法迫人跟。本百科寫嘅人咁少，文又唔係多，根本玩唔起依啲嘢。講笑咁講，若要立法，會要啲人當日開五篇文先可以講政策。HenryLi (傾偈) 2020年2月22號 (六) 08:25 (UTC)

一篇有晒學術道理講得清清楚楚嘅文，居然畀某管理員亂扣帽子做「篇文根本無乜意思，純粹要反」、「篇文論調係放大一啲問題去否定一切」，完全目空一切、無視學術論證噉話「乜叉底層都唔係廣東話主要部份」，話咩「廣東話本字研究，百年來一直係主流」，但連一啲真係具有學術專業身份或知識嘅意見都聽唔入耳，憑自己亂咁解讀去扭曲，將完全唔同概念嘅錯別字混爲一談，將冇約定俗成基礎嘅僞本字講到係「已經步入約定俗成一員」，我眞係唔知呢個仲係唔係理性討論，根本過晒底線。

如果仲係理性討論，唔該唔好偷換概念混淆視聽。約定俗成唔等於冇標準，相反，約定俗成係大家都遵守共同習慣嘅標準，日常各個場合都跟佢用佢。換言之，從來約定俗成都係講受過敎育嘅人嗰套用字標準，唔會理火星文，亦絕對唔係提倡錯別字，同樓上所講嘅情況完全唔同。

如果一個字，佢古時真係有「本字」，但係之後所有人都約定俗成認同嗰個寫法要變，咁係因為溝通、達意上嘅需要，你死硬唔跟，要用「本字」，反而徒添混亂。上面講過「渠」字，其實係咪大家都知道：【今日喺日常生活中，如果仲要寫個「渠」字表示佢，係冇人會明】呢個事實？如果大家都眞係明嘅，點解仲會有人爲啲冇人明嘅寫法撐腰？

同埋我再講明，我由一開始，就講明係反對啲冇人明，或者大家都唔接受，又喺學術考據上穿鑿附會造假嘅嗰啲【實際上係錯別字嘅偽本字】，即係我擧出嘅以「徂」代「咗」、以「忌」代「嘅」、以「爾」代「呢」呢啲。至於如果係「真･本字」，用起上嚟又方便，大家都明白，咁嘅話其實就自然會變成約定俗成嘅標準。好似「攰」字，有啲舊啲嘅文獻寫做「癐」，後來《每日一字》主持、中文碩士林佐瀚先生指出「攰」字音義俱合，有典有理，亦不穿鑿附會。他沒有強行推廣，但大眾就已自然接受。

而家嘅問題係，啱啱好同林佐瀚先生相反，上面所謂嘅「粵語字考證文獻」錯漏百出，音韻變化亂咁嚟，特別係對字音轉變冇合理解釋，詞義不相關，稍有近義就話佢係，牽強附會，夾硬搵隻唔相關嘅罕用字、僻字，屈佢係「本字」，然後由小撮人喺網上周圍霸地盤擴散。翻査歷代文獻，歷代粵語或非粵語字書，歷代粵語或非粵語文本，根本都冇咁嘅用例。呢啲唔係「本字」，而係「偽本字」，係畀人夾硬屈出嚟嘅。

呢啲問題，已經有好多學者同學術界人士指咗出嚟。詹憲慈《廣州語本字》同孔仲南《廣東俗語考》，之前冇乜同類嘅硏究，連現代漢語學都仲係喺草創階段，粵語研究更加未有系統可言，佢哋可以算係開山人，難免前修未密，有唔少錯漏，唔可以盡信，要仔細求證。其他好似楊子靜《粵語鈎沉》、余福智《粵講粵過癮》、潘永強《瞻天望地：廣府俗語探奇》、王亭之《王亭之談正音》同《廣府話救亡》、彭志銘《正字正確》、《正字審查》同《廣東俗語正字考》呢啲書，好多作者本身嘅語言學、音韻學知識不足，甚至有好基本嘅錯漏同誤解，冇對前人著作小心求證，一味因襲錯誤不加思索，照抄一大堆錯誤嘅嘢，甚至再自己加料，錯上加錯。點解係學術上，針對前人錯誤，從中仔細査證嘅文獻，例如：李如龍《考求方言詞本字的音韻論證》（1988）、詹伯慧《漢語方言及方言調查》（1991）書中所列考本字應注意者、李新魁同林倫倫合著《潮汕方言詞考釋》（1992）緒論「考求方言詞本字應注意的問題」一節、梅祖麟《方言本字研究的兩種方法》（1995）、李如龍《廣州話常用詞裏的幾種字音變讀》（1995）、陳伯煇《論粵方言詞本字考釋》（1998）等等，都不獲粵維引用、不受粵維嘅編輯遵從？

無視學者一早已經以具體嘅學術論證指咗出嚟嘅問題，仲想死撐，唔認學術上唔成立，唔認小眾原創研究。用呢種態度撰寫、編輯維基辭典，有乜說服力？對住啲以「徂」代「咗」、以「爾」代「呢」等等嘅僞本字，甚至唔畀人改，話要並行要尊重其他編輯乜乜乜，眞係血都嘔幾両，唔明白仲有乜嘢可能有凝聚力。

如果各位編輯執意要噉樣反學術，我予欲無言，唯有送幅圖： https://imgur.com/V5aoRqA 。 Cangjie6 (傾偈) 2020年2月23號 (日) 17:17 (UTC)

我只不過講事實，唔好用啲文化大革命用語乜嘢「扣帽子」來話我，見到啲鬼話好驚。你自己寫咗啲證明我講嘅係事實，只係你認為百年來研究嘅人都唔夠格咁啫。若果你想象成乜嘢地盤，你依家推套規範，咪又係另一種地盤。故此，依家叫人唔好管三管四，由寫者去自由決定。

重有，一面就話約定俗成，一面就講規範，本身就自相矛盾。有咁上下人用就叫約定俗成，唔係學術嘢。有權威話要咁寫，就叫規範，可以學術，可以唔學術。兩種嘢係相反。語言來本就含糊，會變化，無所謂絕對正確。有無學術，言語都會自行自走。學者可以學術研究，然而學術唔代語言本身，語言遠大過晒學術所掂到。人家用乜字，都唔係下下用學術來強制他人。所謂學術更加會有人推翻，無人代表絕對正確，依度玩規範，只會無止境爭拗，徒增煩惱。何況，語言學者嘅態度，都有分描寫(descriptive) 同規範 (prescriptive)兩種。故此字典盡力去描寫，咁多寫法，咁多解釋，都不能盡錄。規範只係方便學校教學，教導基本，出面世界係唔會理依套。然而，依個世界好多人只係睇規範嗰邊，當自己係權威，下下都想限制人自由，跟自己嗰套，管人哋點寫，依個有違自由精神，有違語言發展。就此，我更相信自由嘅力量，語言係生嘅，依啲嘢自自然然會變化，唔需要特登走去管。再者，本百科無人亦都無能力玩規範嗰套，玩依啲改來改去，只係趕有心寫嘅人走。若你唔順眼，你只要有心喺度寫出一千幾百篇，依度就有你嘅寫法習慣，咁好過要人左管右管，對本百科更有益處。HenryLi (傾偈) 2020年2月23號 (日) 18:30 (UTC)

一邊將一篇有唔少內容嘅文老屈成「篇文根本無乜意思，純粹要反」、「篇文論調係放大一啲問題去否定一切」，仲話「只不過講事實」，唔認係「扣帽子」。原來粵維係靠指鹿爲馬嚟討論嘅。我講咗咁多嘢，你根本冇理解過，只係爲咗反駁而肆意扭曲晒。我眞心唔知係你啲閱讀理解能力咁差，定係你自己內心知嘅，不過爲咗死拗死撐，故意噉樣顚黑倒白。「約定俗成」係要有廣泛現象，唔係自己一堆人圍爐，就可以畀你叫「有咁上下人用」。詹憲慈、孔仲南開個山出嚟但係好多漏洞，後面啲民間寫稿佬亂抄兼加鹽加醋，你就叫「研究」；學者指出問題，你就高舉語言「唔係學術」。一面話「本百科無人亦都無能力玩規範嗰套」，一面定個充滿僞本字嘅Wikipedia:粵語本字表同畀人改埋晒啲僞本字。眞係太陽由西邊升起，鹹魚游緊水。Cangjie6 (傾偈) 2020年2月23號 (日) 21:06 (UTC)

你估文化大革命咩，成日講用啲鬼話「扣帽子」，莫非文化大革命遺毒太深？

篇文好明顯就係兩派人火拼而寫，近乎一面倒咁插人，邊有學術文章會咁寫㗎。只不過網誌文章而已。唔該唔好為依兩派人，搞到本百科無咗自由，對本百科毫無益處。上面理據已經講咗。

第一，文字而言，依度對字大原則，只有兩條。

一者，底稿唔用簡化字。簡化字經常有多字合一，程式轉返轉頭會出錯，搞到中文版咁就無謂。相反，顯示用程式轉簡化字就無問題。依度有輔助做。

二者，唔用「國維行話」。阻止人搬字過紙抄中文版啲嘢過來，不然，又何須要有本百科？

其餘，本百科亦唔多理，盡至大自由。所謂「本字表」並無強制人點寫字，依度個個都係各有各寫，無人會迫你一定要用邊隻字。寫者自行判斷。若果嗰樣嘢要消亡，自然會消亡，無須下下加把手。

第二，語言本就多分歧，文字亦一樣。日日都有新嘢，層出不窮。約定俗成只不過話當時情況啫，個情況可以有幾種寫法，唔係倒轉頭強迫人點寫字喎。約定俗成都經常有「錯」㗎啦。如解字要刀牛，好多人都唔寫刀牛。教字上爻，好多人唔寫爻。同你「學術至上」根本完全對立。

第三，大多數學者本意唔係強制人點寫，只係嘗試去解釋。學者啲嘢都成日畀人推翻。有時會各有各說，甚至自己推翻自己。依啲就係學術遊戲。點可能代替人自己書寫習慣？

第四，本百科係自由編寫，人人都可以入場寫。若你睇唔過嘅眼嘅嘢多，只係你編寫得太少，人哋參與得夠多，僅此而已。要重申，本百科大家都編寫得。

依度係為本百科而論。見上面一味執住「本字表」，睇來有太大誤解吧。重申依度無強制寫者用邊隻字。

HenryLi (傾偈) 2020年2月24號 (一) 04:50 (UTC)

同意上面講，要講規範，不如寫多幾篇文先好講規範。粵維一向共識亦係，如果兩派人馬對個別詞彙嘅正字法拗唔掂數，就預設尊重文章主要作者或者開文嗰個。大前提係粵文百科寫作仍然發展緊，唔急住要完全規範晒啲用字，應該先多寫多用，文本多喇，先至諗規範。@Cangjie6：你睇吓呢，其實恐狼博士呢兩年做咗粵維頭號寫手之後，其實粵維嘅用字習慣向俗字派、粵典派靠攏咗好多架...恐狼博士呢啲就係唔好嘥時間嗌交，專心用產量嚟推動規範嘅維基精神代表人物喇。翹仔 (傾偈) 2020年2月24號 (一) 16:51 (UTC)

人通常都唔受前人教訓，作法自斃。今日潮流就話興依樣，他日呢？風水輪流轉，有無諗過他日又倒返轉頭限制返自己？管人用字實情係思想鉗制，副作用大。明明係自由嘅百科全書，有自由又唔珍惜。開個頭鉗制思想，笨到無人有。文字一向自行演化，管得來都落後於潮流，執行上必定諸多紛爭，何必挖個氹畀自己踩呢？HenryLi (傾偈) 2020年2月24號 (一) 23:26 (UTC)

我冇興趣花太多時間嗌交。我淨係想提提一點：粵典係一個 community 嘅人一齊整嘅，而非齋靠一兩個學者自己閉門造車，所以我認為粵典嘅 standard 更加反映到粵語大眾嘅用字。粵典係 rely on 大眾嘅貢獻嘅，in this sense 粵典同維基百科一樣。Dr. Direwolf (傾偈) 2020年2月25號 (二) 02:11 (UTC)

@Cangjie6： 講一句我自己見解，the world is by nature chaotic。花太多時間管其他人做乜我覺得係嘥氣。Dr. Direwolf (傾偈) 2020年2月25號 (二) 03:12 (UTC)

樓上幾位都倒轉事實嚟講，聲稱係我要管人、我要限制人哋點寫字。事實上係我嚟粵維，就畀User:Cedric_tsan_cantonais(殘陽孤侠)管我寫字，要我跟佢寫啲明明係錯別字嘅偽本字，仲講到係粵維政策，先發現呢度咁離譜，先提出反對實際上係錯別字嘅偽本字政策，反對將修正錯別字行爲定義作「無建設性嘅編輯」。佢管我寫字，冇人話佢；我唔同意佢管，指出具體問題，大家就反而怪我管人寫字。真係唔知係好笑定係咩。--Cangjie6 (傾偈) 2020年2月25號 (二) 03:35 (UTC)

我一般懶理啲人寫乜字，不過我寫「唨」「澌」下下都捱執（基於分韻撮要音系與及相關晚清資料），唔知到著咩來由。真係「無建設性嘅編輯」，改啲字嘅都應該係「無建設性嘅編輯」正啱。
如果一個極端，處處都硬係要根據用字方案，首先份用字方案要係討論得嘅正啱（之我覺得十年八年冇咩可能得落著）；如果另一個極端，用字方案衹係得個建議效力，噉咪由在大家鍾意寫乜字就寫乜字囉。確定份嘢效力有幾大正係關鍵。汩汩银泉 (傾偈) 2020年2月25號 (二) 04:14 (UTC)

我個人傾向就係書面上儘量減少歧義（表達更加精細）+字本身（或聲旁）個音韻地位同埋相關嘅音變推導覆蓋得儘可能多嘅方言點（受眾更加廣泛）。至於正字/本字/俗字，帶口/唔帶口都冇咩所謂。之不過除開帶口區分、本意罕用嘅生僻字，好多啲同音借字嘅俗字、意義分化嘅本字都好易導致歧義。就減少歧義嚟講，我覺得既然形態上可以區分開，做乜仲要imply。汩汩银泉 (傾偈) 2020年2月25號 (二) 04:48 (UTC)

@Cangjie6： 根據用戶互動工具嘅分析，殘陽孤俠改你嘅用字就只係得2019年3月21號一次咁大把。你舊年喺度投訴完之後，佢同你冇再發生過任何編輯爭拗，亦唔見有其他人嘗試強加佢哋嘅正字喺你寫嘅文章。如果你想推廣你覺得啱嘅用字規範，唔該寫多啲文，未來若果有人堅持要改你啲用字嘅話再過嚟傾。翹仔 (傾偈) 2020年2月25號 (二) 10:57 (UTC)

有時維基友會有錯覺，人哋改文好似侵犯自己地盤咁。要知文章乃係公有嘛。只要去除依種錯覺，有人改亦無乜咁大不了。大家可互相理解一下，相讓一下，唔使下下發到咁盡。私下有些少拗撬，都唔使下下搵差人，跟住又要谷人立法管死晒。只要放開一下，唔咁上心，大家都寫得開心啲。HenryLi (傾偈) 2020年2月26號 (三) 21:08 (UTC)

@HenryLi： 今次其實係掉返轉，係 Cangjie6 想改殘陽孤俠啲用字，然後殘陽孤俠覺得 Cangjie6 侵犯自己地盤... 不過點都好，我同意要互相理解，禮讓一下，唔好乜都谷人立法管死晒。翹仔 (傾偈) 2020年2月27號 (四) 13:25 (UTC)

至於正字，唔能一嘢就結論全要或者全唔要。有好多字唔知點寫，唔係話一句俗字就解決問題。於是乎前人做過唔少考證功夫，或者有過寫字用例，都係參攷，好過乜都無。無論係咪至正解，都係嘗試。百科以外嘅嘢，大家都理唔到。百科以內，大家自己寫多啲文，用自己文字去投票嘛。HenryLi (傾偈) 2020年2月26號 (三) 21:08 (UTC)

同意Henry嘅觀點，呢度燒開嘅茶煲，應該都可以唞唞先。緊要嘅並唔係規例，而係始終嘅溝通同思考，並唔係一下就整出萬金油嚟包保萬世就話OK。以後邊位有乜文辭等方面嘅諗法，都可以喺啲交流版面度開壇、擺陣，聽維基友友善切磋下，唔話爭在搞出啲神佛官差太上皇嘅新鮮蘿蔔皮，多啲豐富返呢度嘅諗法同視野，覺得都唔少益處畀到呢度。——Longway22 (傾偈) 2020年2月27號 (四) 02:13 (UTC)

燒開嘅茶煲係乜鬼？🤣個茶煲用紙做？定燒到爆開？咩意思？？？🤣🤣🤣--Iphoneuser88 (傾偈) 2020年2月29號 (六) 22:21 (UTC)

點解 尐 徂 忌 呢啲叫做乜鬼本字？邊個話ga？有咩出處？攞來睇過？--Iphoneuser88 (傾偈) 2020年2月29號 (六) 22:28 (UTC)

依啲嘢通常都係清末民國嗰兩本。一本廣東俗語考、另一本廣州語本字。依啲嘢講咗都差唔多成百年，出書都唔知幾多本，依啲嘢都討論到爛，亦無謂再喺度拗。HenryLi (傾偈) 2020年3月1號 (日) 14:59 (UTC)

技術

Tech News: 2019-27

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• The development of Wikidata Bridge has started. The goal is to allow Wikidata edits from Wikipedia. [1]

Problems

• Sometimes pages load slowly for users routed to the Amsterdam data center. Investigation is in progress. [2]
• Wikidata query service was overloaded between 11:50 UTC until 13:15 UTC on June 24. It has been fixed. [3]

Changes later this week

• You will be able to read but not to edit all wikis for a short amount of time, on 3 July at 06:00 (UTC). This is to move a database. [4]
• There is no deployment of a new version of MediaWiki on the wikis this week (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 3 July at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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2019年7月1號 (一) 21:23 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-28

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• For event organizers, if you request a temporary lift of the IP cap for mass account creation, this will now also raise the edit rate limit for those new accounts at the event, which will prevent another bottleneck. [5]
• Administrators at all Wiktionary, Wikivoyage, and Wikisource wikis are now able to use the new partial blocks feature. [6]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 9 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 10 July. It will be on all wikis from 11 July (calendar).
• The design of MediaWiki's software windows will change for desktop users. Layout will be simpler, buttons will be bolder and clearer, and close buttons will be just icons. This is like the mobile design. This will affect ContentTranslation, VisualEditor, TemplateWizard, and other tools. [7]

Meetings

• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 10 July at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• Wikidata will be in read-only mode on 30 July from 05:00 to 05:30 UTC because of a server switch. [8]
• There will be a change in the name format of new Wikidata RDF dumps starting on 15 July. [9]

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2019年7月8號 (一) 20:13 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-29

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• The mobile web will get more advanced editing tools. Seven more Wikipedias can use them now. This works for Arabic, Indonesian, Italian, Persian, Japanese, Spanish and Thai Wikipedia. You can try the tools on the mobile web and give feedback. [10]

Changes later this week

• The abuse filter system user will soon do maintenance edits on broken abuse filters. This user is called 濫用過濾器 and has administrator rights. This is meant to fix technical problems. It will not do any other changes. You can read more.
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 16 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 17 July. It will be on all wikis from 18 July (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 17 July at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• The Wikipedia app for Android will invite users to add image captions to images on Commons. It will only invite users who have added a number of edits in the app without being reverted. This is to avoid spam and bad edits. You can read more and leave feedback. [11]

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2019年7月15號 (一) 15:30 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-30

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• Communities interested by easing newcomers' first steps can now benefit from the Growth team experiments on their wikis. Check the conditions and the request process.
• The Coolest Tool Award 2019 is looking for nominations. You can recommend tools by July 29. The awarded tools will be presented at Wikimania. [12]

Problems

• The release of the last version of MediaWiki (1.34.0-wmf.14) has been blocked for groups 1 and 2. [13]

Changes later this week

• Phabricator database will be moved to a different server. Writes will be blocked on Thursday 25 July, between 05:30 and 06:00 AM UTC. Reads will remain unaffected. [14]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 23 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 24 July. It will be on all wikis from 25 July (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 24 July at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• Some items in the visual editor will change later this week. This will make it easier to edit links, citations, and templates on both desktop and mobile. [15][16]
• With advanced search turned on you will be able to choose the sorting order of the search results when you do a search. [17][18]
• Users who edit from IP addresses whitelisted on a request for temporary lift of the IP cap for mass account creation will bypass CAPTCHAs. This will happen in August. If you think this should not happen for some reason, please let us know.
• The variable user_wpzero will be removed from AbuseFilter. A list of filters needing a fix is provided.

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2019年7月22號 (一) 13:07 (UTC)

Editing News #1—July 2019

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Did you know?

Did you know that you can use the visual editor on a mobile device?

Every article has a pencil icon at the top. Tap on the pencil icon to start editing.

Edit Cards

This is what the new Edit Cards for editing links in the mobile visual editor look like. You can try the prototype here: 📲 Try Edit Cards.

Welcome back to the Editing newsletter.

Since the last newsletter, the team has released two new features for the mobile visual editor and has started developing three more. All of this work is part of the team's goal to make editing on mobile web simpler.

Before talking about the team's recent releases, we have a question for you:

Are you willing to try a new way to add and change links?

If you are interested, we would value your input! You can try this new link tool in the mobile visual editor on a separate wiki.

Follow these instructions and share your experience:

📲 Try Edit Cards.

Recent releases

The mobile visual editor is a simpler editing tool, for smartphones and tablets using the mobile site. The Editing team recently launched two new features to improve the mobile visual editor:

1. Section editing
   • The purpose is to help contributors focus on their edits.
   • The team studied this with an A/B test. This test showed that contributors who could use section editing were 1% more likely to publish the edits they started than people with only full-page editing.
2. Loading overlay
   • The purpose is to smooth the transition between reading and editing.

Section editing and the new loading overlay are now available to everyone using the mobile visual editor.

New and active projects

This is a list of our most active projects. Watch these pages to learn about project updates and to share your input on new designs, prototypes and research findings.

• Edit cards: This is a clearer way to add and edit links, citations, images, templates, etc. in articles. You can try this feature now. Go here to see how: 📲 Try Edit Cards.
• Mobile toolbar refresh: This project will learn if contributors are more successful when the editing tools are easier to recognize.
• Mobile visual editor availability: This A/B test asks: Are newer contributors more successful if they use the mobile visual editor? We are collaborating with 20 Wikipedias to answer this question.
• Usability improvements: This project will make the mobile visual editor easier to use. The goal is to let contributors stay focused on editing and to feel more confident in the editing tools.

Looking ahead

• Wikimania: Several members of the Editing Team will be attending Wikimania in August 2019. They will lead a session about mobile editing in the Community Growth space. Talk to the team about how editing can be improved.
• Talk Pages: In the coming months, the Editing Team will begin improving talk pages and communication on the wikis.

Learning more

The VisualEditor on mobile is a good place to learn more about the projects we are working on. The team wants to talk with you about anything related to editing. If you have something to say or ask, please leave a message at Talk:VisualEditor on mobile.

PPelberg (WMF) (talk) & Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk)

2019年7月23號 (二) 18:32 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-31

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems

• Wikidata will be in read-only mode on 30 July from 05:00 to 05:30 UTC because of a server switch. [19]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 30 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 31 July. It will be on all wikis from 1 August (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 31 July at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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2019年7月29號 (一) 21:42 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-32

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 6 August. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 7 August. It will be on all wikis from 8 August (calendar).

Problems

• A change in RelatedArticles extension accidentally enabled it for everyone, not just for mobile users. This has been fixed. [20][21]

Meetings

• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 7 August at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• Today everyone can see IP addresses if someone edits without an account. In the future this could be more hidden. This is to protect unregistered editors so fewer can see their IP address. This would only happen after we make sure the tools for vandal fighting can still be effective. You can read more and comment.

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2019年8月5號 (一) 13:25 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-33

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• Editors using the mobile website on Wikipedia can opt-in to new advanced features via your settings page. This will give access to more interface links, special pages, and tools. Feedback on the discussion page is appreciated. [22]
• Due to the absence of volunteer maintenance of Cologne Blue skin, the link to activate it will be hidden. The skin will still work, but editors using it are encouraged to switch to another skin. [23]

Changes later this week

• Due to Wikimania, there is no deployment this week. [24]

Meetings

• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 13 August at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• The "Wikidata item" link will be moved from "Tools" to "In other projects" section on all Wikimedia projects, starting on August 21. Full announcement, Phabricator task.

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2019年8月12號 (一) 18:19 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-34

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Tech News

• There will be no Tech News issue next week. The next issue of Tech News will be sent out on 2 September 2019.

Problems

• Some abuse filters stopped working because of a code change. Only variables for the current action will work. Variables defined inside a branch may not work outside of that branch. You can read more to see how to fix the filters.
• Only six accounts can be created from one IP address per day. Between 12 August and August 15 this was two accounts per day. This was because of a security issue. It is now six accounts per day again. [25]

Changes later this week

• Only a limited number of accounts can be created from one IP address. An IP address can be whitelisted so that it can create as many accounts as needed. This is useful at events where many new persons learn to edit. IP addresses that are whitelisted for this reason will also not show CAPTCHAs when you create accounts. This will happen on Wednesday. [26]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 20 August. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 21 August. It will be on all wikis from 22 August (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 21 August at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• There is an RFC about creating a new global user group with the right to edit abuse filters. This will be used to fix broken filters and make sure all filters will still work when software changes happen. You can read more and comment.
• Special:Contributions/newbies will no longer be working. This is because of performance reasons. It showed edits by new accounts. You can see this in the recent changes feed instead. [27]

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2019年8月19號 (一) 15:21 (UTC)

New tools and IP masking

Hey everyone,

The Wikimedia Foundation wants to work on two things that affect how we patrol changes and handle vandalism and harassment. We want to make the tools that are used to handle bad edits better. We also want to get better privacy for unregistered users so their IP addresses are no longer shown to everyone in the world. We would not hide IP addresses until we have better tools for patrolling.

We have an idea of what tools could be working better and how a more limited access to IP addresses would change things, but we need to hear from more wikis. You can read more about the project on Meta and post comments and feedback. Now is when we need to hear from you to be able to give you better tools to handle vandalism, spam and harassment.

You can post in your language if you can't write in English.

Johan (WMF)

2019年8月21號 (三) 14:18 (UTC)

中文字

加上喎字。唔该嗮喎。-- Ktsquare (傾偈) 2019年9月2號 (一) 21:19 (UTC)

閣下係咪指CharInsert裏面嗰個輸入盒？如果係嘅話就搞掂咗。 Shinjiman ⇔ ♨ 2019年9月3號 (二) 01:06 (UTC)

原來按下改源碼後出現嘅「輸入窗」，下面「顯示中文字」嘅就係CharInsert？係嘅話，解釋俾人聽，好㗎。唔係嘅話，其他帳戶每要加字要每次喺到要求。大家都會厭攰同嫌麻煩 --Ktsquare (傾偈) 2019年9月3號 (二) 21:56 (UTC)

冇錯，下面源碼輸入窗嗰嚿嘢係叫做CharInsert，呢個可以由Gadget架生仔開同閂。 Shinjiman ⇔ ♨ 2019年9月4號 (三) 01:17 (UTC)

加多有粗、黑色嗰幾個字。掂嘅就直接加上，等下便尐中文字够新。米洗通知前通知後吖嘛。我依家打唔到尐字，你哋自己實搞得掂佢哋嘅。-- Ktsquare (傾偈) 2019年9月9號 (一) 01:12 (UTC)

有四個字加咗，有兩個未加入去。嗰度輸入嘅字通常都係以難打字為主嘅。 Shinjiman ⇔ ♨ 2019年9月9號 (一) 03:33 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-36

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• You can use the new termbox interface if you edit Wikidata on a mobile device. This is to edit labels, descriptions and aliases easier on the mobile pages. [28]
• The new version of MediaWiki has been deployed during the last week.
• The previously announced change of positions of the "Wikidata item" link on all wikis has been rollbacked due to unexpected cache issues. [29]
• The limit for rollbacks has been increased from 10 to 100 rollbacks per minute. [30]
• The advanced version of the edit review pages (Recent Changes, Watchlist, and Related Changes) now include two new filters. These filters are for "All contents" and "All discussions". They will filter the view to just those namespaces. However the "All discussions" filter does not include pseudo talk pages, like discussions that are in the Project: or Wikipedia: namespaces. But it will include changes happening on Project talk: or the Wikipedia talk:. [31]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 3 九月. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 4 九月. It will be on all wikis from 5 九月 (calendar).
• When you log in, the software checks your password to see if it follows the Password policy. From this week, it will also complain if your password is one of the most common passwords in the world. If your password is not strong enough, please consider to change your password for a stronger password. [32]

Meetings

• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 4 九月 at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• You will be able to read but not to edit Wikidata for up to 30 minutes on September 10 at 05:00 (UTC). [33]
• You will be able to read but not to edit some mid-sized wikis for up to 30 minutes September 17 at 05:00 (UTC). You can see which wikis. [34]
• You will be able to read but not to edit some mid-sized wikis for up to 30 minutes September 24 at 05:00 (UTC). You can see which wikis. [35]
• You will be able to read but not to edit Wikimedia Commons for up to 30 minutes on September 26 at 05:00 (UTC). [36]

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2019年9月4號 (三) 09:08 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-39

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems

• Some edits that used the visual editor were not working. This has now been fixed. [37]
• Last week's Tech News had delivery problems. Some did not get the newsletter. Some got it more than one time. The developers are working on the problem. [38]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 24 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 25 September. It will be on all wikis from 26 September (calendar).
• You will be able to read but not to edit an important number of mid-sized wikis for up to 30 minutes on 24 September at 05:00 (UTC). You can see which wikis. [39]
• You will be able to read but not to edit Wikimedia Commons for up to 30 minutes on 26 September at 05:00 (UTC). [40]

Meetings

• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 25 September at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• Internet Explorer 6 and 7 might not be supported in the future. This means the browsers might start looking a bit weird. They would not get security support. This is because almost no one uses the browsers anymore. Supporting them makes the wikis less secure for everyone else. [41]

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2019年9月24號 (二) 13:26 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-40

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems

• Last week's Tech News had delivery problems. Some did not get the newsletter. Some got it more than one time. The problem where some pages got it three times should now be fixed. [42]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 1 十月. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 2 十月. It will be on all wikis from 3 十月 (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 2 十月 at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• The Wikimedia Foundation Community Tech team is working on a watchlist expiry feature. This means you can put things on your watchlist for a period of time instead of forever. They are looking for feedback on the questions they have.
• Special:Contributions will get the standard OOUI look. This makes it easier to use on mobile and makes it look like other Special: pages. There is a script you can use to make the form smaller if you want to. [43]

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2019年9月30號 (一) 16:49 (UTC)

The consultation on partial and temporary Foundation bans just started

Hello,

In a recent statement, the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees requested that staff hold a consultation to "re-evaluat[e] or add community input to the two new office action policy tools (temporary and partial Foundation bans)".

Accordingly, the Foundation's Trust & Safety team invites all Wikimedians to join this consultation and give their feedback from 30 September to 30 October.

How can you help?

• Suggest how partial and temporary Foundation bans should be used, if they should (eg: On all projects, or only on a subset);

• Give ideas about how partial and temporary Foundation bans should ideally implemented, if they should be; and/or

• Propose changes to the existing Office Actions policy on partial and temporary bans.

We offer our thanks in advance for your contributions, and we hope to get as much input as possible from community members during this consultation!

-- Kbrown (WMF) 2019年9月30號 (一) 17:14 (UTC)

個模走位

Template:ViuTV劇集個「【收埋】」走位，但近排個模無人大郁過，唔知點解決，有無人識搞搞佢？--Jasonmok92 (傾偈) 2019年10月1號 (二) 03:11 (UTC)

@Shinjiman：關唔關Special:Diff/1095254/1332341？--203.218.116.8（討論） 2019年10月1號 (二) 04:19 (UTC)

係同呢個有關，跟手改埋呢個。 Shinjiman ⇔ ♨ 2019年10月1號 (二) 04:30 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-41

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• The abuse filter function now has a faster parser. This is to shorten the waiting time when you save an edit. [44]

Problems

• There is a problem in the visual editor when you copy or delete text with footnotes. It will be fixed soon. [45]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 8 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 9 October. It will be on all wikis from 10 October (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 9 October at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• The Community Wishlist Survey has a new format. It will focus on wikis that typically get less support. It will probably go back to the normal format next year. It is not decided exactly how it will work this year. You can leave feedback.
• The URL of the Wikimedia wiki main pages could be changed. This is because the current URLs cause several problems. For example https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Main_Page would be https://www.wikidata.org/ instead. You can tell the developers if this would cause problems for your wiki.
• There is a new technical community newsletter. You can read more about the work of Wikimedia's technical community. Subscribe to get the information in the future.
• Outreachy is an internship program for groups who are underrepresented in free and open-source software. There are seven Wikimedia projects about coding, documentation and quality assurance in the next round. Persons who fit the criteria can apply. The last day to apply is 5 November.

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2019年10月7號 (一) 15:34 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-42

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• You can now use more advanced editing tools on the mobile web. You can turn them on and off in your preferences in the mobile version. [46]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 15 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 16 October. It will be on all wikis from 17 October (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 16 October at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• Internet Explorer 6 and 7 are no longer supported. This means the browsers might start looking a bit weird. They will not get security support. You can't read Wikimedia wikis in Internet Explorer on Windows XP or Windows versions that are older than Windows XP. This is because almost no one uses the browsers anymore. Supporting them made the wikis less secure for everyone else. [47]
• In the future section headings might have a share link. This is to make it easier to link to the section. You can read more and discuss.

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2019年10月14號 (一) 23:32 (UTC)

Feedback wanted on Desktop Improvements project

請幫手去譯做你嘅語言

你好. The Readers Web team at the WMF will work on some improvements to the desktop interface over the next couple of years. The goal is to increase usability without removing any functionality. We have been inspired by changes made by volunteers, but that currently only exist as local gadgets and user scripts, prototypes, and volunteer-led skins. We would like to begin the process of bringing some of these changes into the default experience on all Wikimedia projects.

We are currently in the research stage of this project and are looking for ideas for improvements, as well as feedback on our current ideas and mockups. So far, we have performed interviews with community members at Wikimania. We have gathered lists of previous volunteer and WMF work in this area. We are examining possible technical approaches for such changes.

We would like individual feedback on the following:

• Identifying focus areas for the project we have not yet discovered
• Expanding the list of existing gadgets and user scripts that are related to providing a better desktop experience. If you can think of some of these from your wiki, please let us know
• Feedback on the ideas and mockups we have collected so far

We would also like to gather a list of wikis that would be interested in being test wikis for this project - these wikis would be the first to receive the updates once we’re ready to start building.

When giving feedback, please consider the following goals of the project:

• Make it easier for readers to focus on the content
• Provide easier access to everyday actions (e.g. search, language switching, editing)
• Put things in logical and useful places
• Increase consistency in the interface with other platforms - mobile web and the apps
• Eliminate clutter
• Plan for future growth

As well as the following constraints:

• Not touching the content - no work will be done in terms of styling templates or to the structure of page contents themselves
• Not removing any functionality - things might move around, but all navigational items and other functionality currently available by default will remain
• No drastic changes to the layout - we're taking an evolutionary approach to the changes and want the site to continue feeling familiar to readers and editors

Please give all feedback (in any language) at mw:Talk:Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements

After this round of feedback, we plan on building a prototype of suggested changes based on the feedback we receive. You’ll hear from us again asking for feedback on this prototype.

多謝！ Quiddity (WMF) (talk)

2019年10月16號 (三) 07:18 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-43

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• The API sandbox and help pages now show more clearly when API modules are marked as internal. API modules marked as internal were probably internal before. It was easier to miss. You should look for non-internal alternatives. [48]

Problems

• There is a translation tool we use on wikis with more than one language. For a few days it did not create pages for new languages when someone translated a page. The languages did not show in the language bar. This has been fixed. [49]
• The history and diffs can show wrong content. This is because of a cache problem. It will soon be fixed. [50]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 22 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 23 October. It will be on all wikis from 24 October (calendar).
• Reference Previews will be a beta feature on all Wikipedias and some Wikivoyages. It shows you a preview of the footnote when you hover over or click on the number. It has been a beta feature on German and Arabic Wikipedia since April.

Meetings

• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 23 October. See how to join.

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2019年10月21號 (一) 14:18 (UTC)

Beta feature "Reference Previews"

A new beta feature will soon be deployed to your wiki: Reference Previews. As you might guess from the name, this feature gives you a preview of references in the article text. That means, you can look up a reference without jumping down to the bottom of the page.

Reference Previews have already been a beta feature on German and Arabic Wikipedia since April. Now they will become available on more wikis. Deployment is planned for October 24. More information can be found on the project page.

As always, feedback is highly appreciated. If you want to test Reference Previews, please activate the beta feature in your user preferences and let us know what you think. The best place for feedback is the central talk page. We hope the feature will serve you well in your work. Thank you from Wikimedia Deutschland's Technical Wishes project.

-- Johanna Strodt (WMDE) 2019年10月23號 (三) 09:47 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-44

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• You can post proposals for the Community Wishlist Survey. The survey decides what the Community Tech team will work on. You can post proposals until 11 November. You can vote on proposals from 20 November to 2 December. This year the wishlist will focus on Wikibooks, Wiktionary, Wikiquote, Wikisource, Wikiversity, Wikispecies, Wikivoyage and Wikinews. You can read more about the format for this year.
• Mobile users now have a specific design for their Watchlist. [51][52]
• You can share feedback and ideas on the Desktop Improvements project. The goal is to make the interface easier to use for readers and editors without removing any functionality. The Foundation's Readers Web team will work on this over the next two years.
• OOUI now allows using px (pixels) instead of em (em) for some specific cases. [53][54]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 29 十月. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 30 十月. It will be on all wikis from 31 十月 (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 30 十月 at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• There will be no software changes from 19 December to 2 January. The first MediaWiki version next year will come the week of 6 January. [55]
• Gadgets and user scripts can access variables about the current page in JavaScript. In 2015, this information was moved from global variables named wg* to mw.config. The old global variables will be removed later this year. You can know more about it and tell the developers if you want to try this out on your wiki first.

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2019年10月28號 (一) 16:09 (UTC)

Editing News #2 – Mobile editing and talk pages

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Inside this newsletter, the Editing team talks about their work on the mobile visual editor, on the new talk pages project, and at Wikimania 2019.

Help

What talk page interactions do you remember? Is it a story about how someone helped you to learn something new? Is it a story about how someone helped you get involved in a group? Something else? Whatever your story is, we want to hear it!

Please tell us a story about how you used a talk page. Please share a link to a memorable discussion, or describe it on the talk page for this project. The team wants your examples. These examples will help everyone develop a shared understanding of what this project should support and encourage.

Talk pages project

The Talk Pages Consultation was a global consultation to define better tools for wiki communication. From February through June 2019, more than 500 volunteers on 20 wikis, across 15 languages and multiple projects, came together with members of the Foundation to create a product direction for a set of discussion tools. The Phase 2 Report of the Talk Page Consultation was published in August. It summarizes the product direction the team has started to work on, which you can read more about here: Talk Page Project project page.

The team needs and wants your help at this early stage. They are starting to develop the first idea. Please add your name to the "Getting involved" section of the project page, if you would like to hear about opportunities to participate.

Mobile visual editor

The Editing team is trying to make it simpler to edit on mobile devices. The team is changing the visual editor on mobile. If you have something to say about editing on a mobile device, please leave a message at Talk:VisualEditor on mobile.

Edit Cards

What happens when you click on a link. The new Edit Card is bigger and has more options for editing links.

• On 3 September, the Editing team released version 3 of Edit Cards. Anyone could use the new version in the mobile visual editor.
• There is an updated design on the Edit Card for adding and modifying links. There is also a new, combined workflow for editing a link's display text and target.
• Feedback: You can try the new Edit Cards by opening the mobile visual editor on a smartphone. Please post your feedback on the Edit cards talk page.

Toolbar

The editing toolbar is changing in the mobile visual editor. The old system had two different toolbars. Now, all the buttons are together. Tell the team what you think about the new toolbar.

• In September, the Editing team updated the mobile visual editor's editing toolbar. Anyone could see these changes in the mobile visual editor.
  • One toolbar: All of the editing tools are located in one toolbar. Previously, the toolbar changed when you clicked on different things.
  • New navigation: The buttons for moving forward and backward in the edit flow have changed.
  • Seamless switching: an improved workflow for switching between the visual and wikitext modes.
• Feedback: You can try the refreshed toolbar by opening the mobile VisualEditor on a smartphone. Please post your feedback on the Toolbar feedback talk page.

Wikimania

The Editing Team attended Wikimania 2019 in Sweden. They led a session on the mobile visual editor and a session on the new talk pages project. They tested two new features in the mobile visual editor with contributors. You can read more about what the team did and learned in the team's report on Wikimania 2019.

Looking ahead

• Talk Pages Project: The team is thinking about the first set of proposed changes. The team will be working with a few communities to pilot those changes. The best way to stay informed is by adding your username to the list on the project page: Getting involved.
• Testing the mobile visual editor as the default: The Editing team plans to post results before the end of the calendar year. The best way to stay informed is by adding the project page to your watchlist: VisualEditor as mobile default project page.
• Measuring the impact of Edit Cards: This study asks whether the project helped editors add links and citations. The Editing team hopes to share results in November. The best way to stay informed is by adding the project page to your watchlist: Edit Cards project page.

– PPelberg (WMF) (talk) & Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk)

2019年10月29號 (二) 11:12 (UTC)

Wikipedia Asian Month 2019

請幫手去譯做你嘅語言

Wikipedia Asian Month is back! We wish you all the best of luck for the contest. The basic guidelines of the contest can be found on your local page of Wikipedia Asian Month. For more information, refer to our Meta page for organizers.

Looking forward to meet the next ambassadors for Wikipedia Asian Month 2019!

For additional support for organizing offline event, contact our international team on wiki or on email. We would appreciate the translation of this message in the local language by volunteer translators. Thank you!

Wikipedia Asian Month International Team.

MediaWiki message delivery (傾偈) 2019年10月31號 (四) 16:57 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-45

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• At Special:Contributions you could see up to 5000 edits at the same time if you edited the URL. This has been lowered to 500. This is to stop requests which break the sites. [56]

Changes later this week

• MediaWiki:ipb-default-expiry can set the default length to block a user for your wiki. You will be able to use MediaWiki:ipb-default-expiry-ip to set a different default block length for IP editors. [57]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 5 November. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 6 November. It will be on all wikis from 7 November (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 6 November at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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2019年11月4號 (一) 16:47 (UTC)

Google Code-In will soon take place again! Mentor tasks to help new contributors!

Hi everybody! Google Code-in (GCI) will soon take place again - a seven week long contest for 13-17 year old students to contribute to free software projects. Tasks should take an experienced contributor about two or three hours and can be of the categories Code, Documentation/Training, Outreach/Research, Quality Assurance, and User Interface/Design. Do you have any Lua, template, gadget/script or similar task that would benefit your wiki? Or maybe some of your tools need better documentation? If so, and you can imagine enjoying mentoring such a task to help a new contributor, please check out mw:Google Code-in/2019 and become a mentor. If you have any questions, feel free to ask at our talk page. Many thanks in advance! --Martin Urbanec 2019年11月5號 (二) 07:28 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-46

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• MediaWiki2LaTeX can put different pages from a Wikimedia wiki into a PDF. It can now make a PDF with around 5000 pages. Previously this was 800 pages.

Changes later this week

• There is no new MediaWiki version this week.

Meetings

• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 13 November at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• Wikimedia will take part in Google Code-in. This is for young students who want to help with open source software. You can read more. Experienced technical Wikimedians can mentor students.

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2019年11月11號 (一) 22:02 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-47

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems

• You will be able to read but not to edit some wikis for up to 30 minutes on 26 November at 06:00 (UTC). You can see which wikis. It will probably last much shorter than 30 minutes. This will also affect the centralauth database. This could for example affect changing passwords, logging in to new wikis, changing emails or global renames. [58]

Changes later this week

• You can soon vote on proposals for the Community Wishlist Survey. The survey decides what the Community Tech team will work on. You can vote on proposals from 20 November to 2 December. This year the wishlist will focus on Wikibooks, Wiktionary, Wikiquote, Wikisource, Wikiversity, Wikispecies, Wikivoyage and Wikinews. You can read more about the format for this year.
• There is no new MediaWiki version this week.

Meetings

• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 20 November at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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2019年11月18號 (一) 20:16 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-48

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Changes later this week

• The mobile beta mode will be disabled to have less maintenance. The developers will focus on the desktop improvements project. You can turn on advanced mobile contributions mode if you want to see the categories. You could also jump back to the top. This can instead be done with a gadget or user script. [59]
• Parsoid is software we use for the visual editor, content translation, Flow and the Android app. This has been rewritten. It will come to the wikis gradually over the next two weeks. It has been tested, but there could be some diffs or previews that don't look right. If you see any you can report them. [60]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 26 November. It will be on the other wikis next week (calendar). This is because of holidays.

Meetings

• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 27 November at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• You will switch between the article and the talk page in a new way in the mobile view in the future. It will use tabs. This is more like in the desktop view. [61]

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2019年11月25號 (一) 16:51 (UTC)

Extension of Wikipedia Asian Month contest

In consideration of a week-long internet block in Iran, Wikipedia Asian Month 2019 contest has been extended for a week past November. The articles submitted till 7th December 2019, 23:59 UTC will be accepted by the fountain tools of the participating wikis.

Please help us translate and spread this message in your local language.

Wikipedia Asian Month International Team

--MediaWiki message delivery (傾偈) 2019年11月27號 (三) 14:16 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-49

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• Mix'n'match is a tool to connect Wikidata items to information in other databases. It can be used to find subjects that are missing in a Wikipedia. It now has more than 3000 datasets. Before it was closer to 2000.

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 3 December. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 4 December. It will be on all wikis from 5 December (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 4 December at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• There will be a new schema for XML dumps. Scripts and apps that use them will need to be updated. If they are not updated they will no longer work. [62]
• The {{REVISIONID}} magic word will no longer work in the content namespaces. This is for performance reasons. When you preview a page it returns "" (empty string). When you read a page it returns "-" (dash). In the future this will also affect other namespaces. The next ones are file and category namespaces. [63]

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2019年12月2號 (一) 16:57 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-50

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• Wikimedia projects use Translatewiki to translate the wiki interface. You can now use WatchTranslations to watch projects there. You would get an email if there are missing translations to your language. [64]
• There is a new dataset you can use. It shows the number of editors per country per month for a number of countries. You can read the documentation and download the dataset.

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 10 December. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 11 December. It will be on all wikis from 12 December (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 11 December at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• You can test a new reference tool. It makes it possible to reference different parts of a source without repeating all information. You can test it on the beta cluster. You can see an example article. [65]

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2019年12月9號 (一) 16:35 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-51

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems

• The Linter extension helps you find technical errors in articles. It did not show new changes last week. This was because of an API problem. It is now working again. [66]
• Special:Watchlist can show the wrong information again. It does not always show which edits are read and which are unread. This is because of a database problem. The developers are working on solving the problem. [67]

Changes later this week

• You can get email notifications. You can get them immediately, a summary every day or a summary once every week. If you choose a summary you can soon choose not to get notifications you have already marked as read on the wiki. [68]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 17 December. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 18 December. It will be on all wikis from 19 December (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 18 December at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• The partial blocks feature is now stable. It will come to most wikis on 6 January. Your wiki can ask to wait. Contact NKohli (WMF) if you don't want it now. [69]

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2019年12月17號 (二) 00:15 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-52

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Tech News

• Because of the holidays the next issue of Tech News will be sent out on 6 January 2020.

Recent changes

• All mobile site users now have new features. Features include: tabs for page/discussion; an expanded user-menu; direct access to history pages. These features were initially part of the "advanced mode".

Changes later this week

• There is no new MediaWiki version this week or next week.

Future changes

• You can use setlang in the URL to change the user interface language. This will no longer happen automatically. When you open the link you will be asked to confirm the language change. This will not happen if Javascript is not working in your browser. [70]

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2019年12月23號 (一) 20:03 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-02

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Changes later this week

• When trying to move a page, if the target title already exists then a warning message is shown. The warning message will now include a link to the target title. [71]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 7 January. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 8 January. It will be on all wikis from 9 January (calendar).

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2020年1月6號 (一) 21:18 (UTC)

無端端出現「動作已受制」

我正常寫文，又無洗版，頭先開文彈出以下錯誤：

「動作已受制

為咗反垃圾，短時間內呢樣嘢唔可以做太多次。你已經過咗上限。請等幾分鐘再試。

返去頭版。」

要等成差唔多10分鐘先至畀開文。--Tingbama (傾偈) 2020年1月11號 (六) 08:46 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-03

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• You can no longer read Wikimedia wikis if your browser use very old TLS. This is because it is a security problem for everyone. It can lead to downgrade attacks. Since 9 December you just see a warning. Soon the browser will not connect to the wikis at all. Most are users on Android systems older than 4.4. You can read the browser recommendations. [72]
• Special:LinkSearch has been moved from the "跳轉專門版" section on Special:SpecialPages to the "版一覽" section. [73]

Changes later this week

• Wikis can protect pages so that only some users can edit them. The standard protection levels are 只限已經自動確認嘅用戶 and 只限管理員. If your wiki use more protection levels the technical name might be renamed for standardisation. This doesn't affect what users see. [74]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 14 January. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 15 January. It will be on all wikis from 16 January (calendar).

Future changes

• Deepcat and Catgraph will stop working. This will happen at the end of January. This is because you can now use the normal search function instead. [75]
• You can use <ref follow="…"> to merge footnotes that follow each other. It is meant to be used for digitised books on Wikisource. If the order of the footnotes is wrong no error was shown but the bad <ref> was shown outside the <references /> list. This will change and you will see an error message instead. [76]

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MediaWiki message delivery (傾偈) 2020年1月13號 (一) 18:39 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Folklore

Hello Folks,

Wiki Loves Love is back again in 2020 iteration as Wiki Loves Folklore from 1 February, 2020 - 29 February, 2020. Join us to celebrate the local cultural heritage of your region with the theme of folklore in the international photography contest at Wikimedia Commons. Images, videos and audios representing different forms of folk cultures and new forms of heritage that haven’t otherwise been documented so far are welcome submissions in Wiki Loves Folklore. Learn more about the contest at Meta-Wiki and Commons.

Kind regards,
Wiki Loves Folklore International Team
— Tulsi Bhagat (contribs | talk)
sent using MediaWiki message delivery (傾偈) 2020年1月18號 (六) 06:15 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-04

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 21 January. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 22 January. It will be on all wikis from 23 January (calendar).

Future changes

• There is a new suggestion for what to show when someone edits without registering an account. This is to give unregistered editors better privacy and make some anti-vandalism work go faster. You can give feedback.
• Pywikibot is a Python library to automate work on wikis. It will no longer support Python 2. Use the python2 tag if you need to continue running Python 2 scripts. The Pywikibot team strongly recommends to migrate to Python 3. You can get help to do so. [77]
• The weekly MediaWiki branch cut will soon become automated. The timing for this cut may change. You can discuss in Phabricator if this affects you. [78]
• You can read about coming technical events and mentoring interns.

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2020年1月20號 (一) 19:41 (UTC)

加顯示在線管理人員功能

大家好，加顯示在線管理人員功能得唔得？-Ktsquare (傾偈) 2020年1月21號 (二) 18:45 (UTC)

搵到個類似嘅，如果要嘅話可以喺嗰版度複製出嚟再修改。個人用嘅話將佢放入呢版度 Shinjiman ⇔ ♨ 2020年1月22號 (三) 03:50 (UTC)

依家顯示在線管理人員功能得唔得？--Ktsquare (傾偈) 2020年2月10號 (一) 00:33 (UTC)

呢個你要自己試吓，因為預設係唔會加落去全用戶嘅JS度。 Shinjiman ⇔ ♨ 2020年2月10號 (一) 00:45 (UTC)

代碼用

mw.loader.load('//zh-yue.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=URL&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript');

，URL係指你要設定嘅位置。 Shinjiman ⇔ ♨ 2020年2月10號 (一) 00:55 (UTC)

Movement Learning and Leadership Development Project

Hello

The Wikimedia Foundation’s Community Development team is seeking to learn more about the way volunteers learn and develop into the many different roles that exist in the movement. Our goal is to build a movement informed framework that provides shared clarity and outlines accessible pathways on how to grow and develop skills within the movement. To this end, we are looking to speak with you, our community to learn about your journey as a Wikimedia volunteer. Whether you joined yesterday or have been here from the very start, we want to hear about the many ways volunteers join and contribute to our movement.

To learn more about the project, please visit the Meta page. If you are interested in participating in the project, please complete this simple Google form. Although we may not be able to speak to everyone who expresses interest, we encourage you to complete this short form if you are interested in participating!

-- LMiranda (WMF) (talk) 2020年1月22號 (三) 19:01 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-05

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems

• Some mobile diffs have problems. A couple of buttons are not shown. Structured data diffs on Commons are confusing. The developers are working on fixing it. [79][80]
• Administrators on wikis that use Structured Discussions can't move discussion pages. This is a bug. The developers are working on fixing it. [81]

Changes later this week

• There is no new MediaWiki version this week.

Future changes

• There is JavaScript code on Special:Undelete for administrators that makes it possible to automatically select multiple checkboxes by holding the "Shift" key and clicking. This code is also loaded by accident on other special pages and on articles. This makes pages slower to load. This will be fixed. If you know of other special pages where this is useful please tell the developers at phab:T232688.

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2020年1月27號 (一) 18:52 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-06

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 4 February. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 5 February. It will be on all wikis from 6 February (calendar).

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2020年2月3號 (一) 20:04 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-07

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• There is a new version of the Wikimedia Commons app for Android. It should fix the failed uploads problem. [82]

Problems

• There was a problem with the new MediaWiki version last week. It deleted some messages by accident. The new version was late because it was stopped to fix things. [83]

Changes later this week

• The MediaWiki action API is used by various tools like bots and gadgets. Some error codes will change. Some parameter values that do not follow the standard will no longer work. [84]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 11 February. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 12 February. It will be on all wikis from 13 February (calendar).

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2020年2月10號 (一) 19:09 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-08

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• Pages on Wikidata and Commons now load faster. You can read more about page load performance. [85][86]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 18 February. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 19 February. It will be on all wikis from 20 February (calendar).

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2020年2月17號 (一) 16:16 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-09

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 25 February. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 26 February. It will be on all wikis from 27 February (calendar).

Future changes

• There will be a reply button after each post on a talk page if you want one. This will soon be a beta feature on the Arabic, French, Dutch and Hungarian Wikipedias. You will have to turn it on if you want to use it. It will come to more wikis later. You can test the reply button. It was briefly shown earlier than planned by mistake on the four first wikis last week.

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2020年2月24號 (一) 20:59 (UTC)

Additional interface for edit conflicts on talk pages

Sorry, for writing this text in English. If you could help to translate it, it would be appreciated.

You might know the new interface for edit conflicts (currently a beta feature). Now, Wikimedia Germany is designing an additional interface to solve edit conflicts on talk pages. This interface is shown to you when you write on a discussion page and another person writes a discussion post in the same line and saves it before you do. With this additional editing conflict interface you can adjust the order of the comments and edit your comment. We are inviting everyone to have a look at the planned feature. Let us know what you think on our central feedback page! -- For the Technical Wishes Team: Max Klemm (WMDE) 2020年2月26號 (三) 14:15 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-10

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems

• Readers who were not logged in briefly saw the interface in a language decided by their browser. It should normally be in the language of the wiki. This happened for a short period of time last week. This was because of a bug. [87]

Changes later this week

• If you forget your password you can ask for a new one to be sent to your email address. You need to know your email address or your username. You will now be able to choose that you need to enter both your email address and your username. This will be a preference. This is to get fewer password reset emails someone else asked for. [88]
• When you asked for a new password you could see if the username didn't exist on Special:PasswordReset. Now the page will show the username you entered and tell you an email has been sent if the username exists. This is for better security. [89]
• On Special:WhatLinksHere you can see what other pages link to a page. You can see if the link is from a redirect. You can now see which section the redirect links to. [90]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 3 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 4 March. It will be on all wikis from 5 March (calendar).

Future changes

• The developers are working on a new interface to solve edit conflicts on talk pages. You can give feedback. [91]
• There is a vote on the creation of a new user group called abuse filter manager. The vote runs from March 1 to March 31 on Meta.
• wgMFSpecialCaseMainPage was used for the mobile site. It was deprecated in 2017. It will stop working in April. Wikis should see if they use it. If they do they should fix it. You can read more and ask for help. This affects 183 wikis. There is a list. [92]

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2020年3月3號 (二) 00:35 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-11

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• There is a new search word called articletopic. You can use it to search for articles on a specific topic. It is available on the Arabic, Czech, English and Vietnamese Wikipedias. It will come to more Wikipedias soon. [93][94][95]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 10 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 11 March. It will be on all wikis from 12 March (calendar).

Future changes

• There is a plan for new requirements for user signatures. You can give feedback.
• The Wikipedia Android app will do push notifications if users want them. This could help you see for example when someone wrote on your talk page or your edit was reverted. This will come later this year. [96]

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2020年3月9號 (一) 17:14 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-12

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• There is a new API module for changing the content model of existing pages. Use action=changecontentmodel to specify the new model. You can read the documentation on mediawiki.org. [97]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 17 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 18 March. It will be on all wikis from 19 March (calendar).

Future changes

• If you edit a page at the same time as someone else you can get an edit conflict. There is a new two-column interface to make it easier to solve this. It will soon be active by default on the German, Arabic, and Farsi Wikipedias. It will be on by default on more wikis within the next months. You will be able to opt out of the new interface. [98][99]
• You can see a proposed design for replying to comments in an easier way.

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2020年3月16號 (一) 21:18 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-13

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems

• Some development will be slower than planned. This is because of the current pandemic. You can see the new deployment guidelines. This is to avoid risks when some persons could be unavailable.
• There was a problem when adding interwiki links. The tool you use to add interwiki links could suggest the wrong project to link to. This has now been fixed. [100][101]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 24 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 25 March. It will be on all wikis from 26 March (calendar).

Future changes

• There is a project to make editing easier for newcomers. The developers are trying to understand what initiatives different Wikipedias have to welcome newcomers. They also want to know which templates are often used for maintenance activities. You can help this project by checking if your wiki's pages are listed on Wikidata.

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2020年3月23號 (一) 17:05 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-14

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• The beta version of the Wikipedia app for Android can now help users add tags on Commons. These tags are called depicts. [102]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 31 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 1 April. It will be on all wikis from 2 April (calendar).

Future changes

• The video player will change to be simpler and more modern. The current beta feature will become the video player for everyone. The old player will be removed. [103]
• There is a project to make templates easier to use. The next few weeks the developers will present ideas on the project page. You can watch that page if you are interested in giving feedback. [104]

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2020年3月30號 (一) 17:24 (UTC)

諗法實驗室

文章轉用粵拼排序？

話說而家，去一版分類版嘅時候，啲文係按 Unicode 次序嘅排嘅。呢個次序基本上同康熙字典一樣，但對於我哋搵嘢冇乜用。我想問大家，轉用粵拼排序好唔好？轉嘅話有兩個可能方案：

• 一係問 MediaWiki 開發者，有冇方法喺軟件層面自訂次序。我哋可以畀晒幾千個常用字嘅粵拼表佢哋。多音字可以單次處理或者喺軟件層面處理。
• 一係我哋自己用 {{DEFAULTSORT}} tag 晒每一篇文嘅粵拼，例如化學底下會加一行 {{DEFAULTSORT:faa3 hok6}}。

大家點睇？ 翹仔 (傾偈) 2020年3月14號 (六) 18:37 (UTC)

粵拼排序幾好。我傾向用第二個辦法。仿似日文維基噉，佢哋亦係用呢個手段實現假名排序。若果用呢個辦法，或者可以融合入現時粵維用嘅注音模，比如{{jpingauto}}呢啲。--S7w4j9 (傾偈) 2020年3月14號 (六) 19:05 (UTC)

唔係人人都會注音，若自動注好有機會注錯音，人手注又花時間，又易出錯。中文版咁，有啲注有啲唔注，咁就好亂。尤其依度根本唔夠人手。

查實康熙字典係有用，所有讀過書嘅人都識。只係依家根本無用到康熙部首分類。Unicode隻隻字，都有康熙字典部首同筆劃編號(Radical-Stroke，RS)，只係百科軟件從來無人寫。康熙部首編號，由一數到二百一十四。例，百字kRSUnicode為106.1，總筆劃數kTotalStrokes為6。106.1即係白部一劃，全字六劃。又，科字kRSUnicode為115.4，總筆劃數kTotalStrokes為9，115.4為禾部四劃，全字九劃。無論kRSUnicode定kTotalStrokes，都只係簡單查表程式，簡單順序排列，完全可以自動做，斷唔會出錯。HenryLi (傾偈) 2020年3月20號 (五) 10:09 (UTC)

雜項

注意

zh:粵語歷史頭先畀人提刪zh:Wikipedia:頁面存廢討論/記錄/2019/07/24#粵語歷史，請各位編輯留意。——Longway22 (傾偈) 2019年7月24號 (三) 13:00 (UTC)

• 補上8月15號某發言，相當有針對性，編輯讀者等參詳，以理解成個可能面對咁嘅色勢。——Longway22 (傾偈) 2019年8月20號 (二) 14:09 (UTC)

Long-term sysop negligence

粵文維基百科管理員長期唔履行管理任務，譬如：

1. Special:SpecialPages包含各種輔助維護網站嘅統計報告，當中唔少管理員應主動並時常處理，譬如Special:UnconnectedPages、Special:斷鏈、Special:無分類嘅檔案、Special:未用檔案。長期冇人主動做。呢d維護，往往需要管理員先有嘅刪除功能，等第d人提交畀管理員處理係浪費編者時間。
2. 受惠於2007年3月Wikimedia Foundation嘅決議，受版權保護嘅圖片，可以喺符合本地維基百科嘅Exemption Doctrine Policy（EDP）嘅前提下，保留喺本地。但實際操作上，管理員長期無視本地EDP同WMF決議嘅要求。有唔符合EDP嘅檔案如File:Kobsmile.jpg，2007年6月上傳，一直到2018年先至由普通用戶提出即刪，2019年先刪得成。足證管理員從來冇意圖實行本地EDP。
3. 第1條涉及嘅維護，就算有人幫手做咗，管理員依然怠工：
   1. 就我個人經歷而言，喺呢一刻，仲有早到2018年12月19號提出即刪嘅檔案如File:Lightrailmap.JPG，8個月都未處理。
   2. 存檔之中亦不乏事例。譬如Wikipedia:城市論壇_(政策)/歸檔/2017年12月#有人似乎當咗呢度係相片儲存庫記載，2017年11月User:Kowlooner提出即刪一批檔案，但要到2018年2月27號，即係3個月後先處理：[105]。

請負責任，及時回應WP:VP、WP:AN等版面用戶提出嘅問題，使用專屬於管理員嘅工具。

Sysops on yue.wikipedia are not active in maintenance tasks. For instance:

1. Special:SpecialPages has a list of maintenance reports, but yuewp sysops are not doing their part to patrol and resolve pages in for example Special:UnconnectedPages, Special:斷鏈, Special:無分類嘅檔案, Special:未用檔案, etc.
2. yuewp opts into hosting fair-use files, but sysops have failed to implement the Exemption Doctrine Policy. File:Kobsmile.jpg was one such copyvio that had been uploaded in June 2007. Only in 2018 did a non-sysop user request speedy deletion, but it was still not deleted until 2019.
3. Sysops do not use the sysop tools exclusively reserved for them even if other users have done the tasks mentioned in point #1, for example:
   1. It's been 8 months since I requested speedy deletion of File:Lightrailmap.JPG.
   2. Many more frustrations could be found in archives. Wikipedia:城市論壇_(政策)/歸檔/2017年12月#有人似乎當咗呢度係相片儲存庫 is one such case. User:Kowlooner helped patrol the files and requested speedy deletion of many, but no deletion was done until 27 Feb 2018, three months later.

This is a formal complaint against yuewp sysop(s)' inaction. They have failed to respond to WP:VP and WP:AN and use the tools responsibly.--Roy17 (傾偈) 2019年8月11號 (日) 19:14 (UTC)

User:Deryck Chan's misconduct

Facts:

1. 新法蘭西粵語拼音方案 (Q56257187) has been deleted from Chinese (repeatedly), English, French, German and literary Chinese wikipedias.
2. special:redirect/page/54299 was initially nominated for deletion on the grounds that it was written from unreliable sources and that no reliable sources could be found at all.
3. On top of being unsourced, the subject of that article was in fact Cedric tsan cantonais（留言 | 貢獻）'s own novel, unpublished idea.
4. The article is therefore unpublished, unverifiable, non-notable and self-promotional.
5. I filed complaints against self-promotion, but they were quickly censored by Deryck Chan（留言 | 貢獻）, apparently at Cedric tsan cantonais's request:
   1. special:redirect/logid/247977
   2. special:redirect/logid/248029
   3. special:redirect/logid/248030
   4. special:redirect/logid/248031
6. Deryck Chan also threatened me with a block for these complaints: special:diff/1260285.
7. User talk:Deryck Chan is rife with Cedric tsan cantonais's as well as a few other users' canvassing and personal attacks against me.
8. Deryck Chan closed the AfD in favour of Cedric tsan cantonais by dodging all of the problems listed in fact #4: special:diff/1276534.
9. To date, I have not received anything with regard to the outcome of the censored complaints of mine listed in fact #5.

Conclusion: The revision deletions listed in #5 are misuse of admin tools. The AfD closure could be the result of users' continuous attacks and lobbying.

I had objected to Deryck Chan's revdel and asked for review: special:permalink/1319266#投訴長期未處理, which remains unattended after five months. I would say that is just another instance of yuewp community's long-term sysop negligence.--Roy17 (傾偈) 2019年8月14號 (三) 01:18 (UTC)

社群參考

呢度有7月份喺大陸發表咗嘅同維基話語相關嘅文稿，仲有部分中維編輯新出街嘅網刊有即時評論，附上部分網民嘅反應，依照依家勢色，備社群參詳。——Longway22 (傾偈) 2019年9月1號 (日) 04:28 (UTC)

補充文稿節選post——Longway22 (傾偈) 2019年9月1號 (日) 06:36 (UTC)

睇埋zh:Wikipedia:《求闻》/2019年/《求闻》和中文维基百科。——Longway22 (傾偈) 2019年9月25號 (三) 09:43 (UTC)

邀請各位於9月15日前對九工作組的建議草案提供回饋

各位社群成員們好：

好耐冇見，想同各位分享吓依家願景2030嘅進度。响今年瑞典嘅Wikimania（維基媒體國際會議）度，九個工作組已經針對維基媒體2030發展，撰寫咗對於未來嘅建議草案，每一組成員各自用不同嘅形式 嚟描述維基媒體九個層面嘅唔同風貌。喺度邀請中文維基媒體嘅社群成員閱讀、提供回饋（尤其呢份翻譯文件出自翻譯社，並唔係熟悉維基社群嘅譯者所翻譯，所以如果有誤譯或者錯譯，都請不吝指出）。以下針對九個工作組各自介紹一個較為大膽或者有趣嘅建議——

• 倡議工作工作組概述：喺未來遇到與開放知識相關嘅公共政策倡議嗰陣（例如網絡中立性、著作權的開放等），加強同國際社群嘅對話，甚至要建立一個全球社群「宣言」或者「意向書」，嚟定義邊啲公共政策嘅倡導工作係維基運動所支持、邊啲唔係。藉以加強社群對於公共政策倡導嘅參與與成功度。
• 能力建設工作組概述：喺未來希望能夠建議「能力建設」嘅新單位，俾志工嘅各種同維基相關嘅能力（好似係組織、募款、維基功能嘅教學、合作關係嘅拓展⋯⋯等種種能力）可以跨過語言同埋地域現有嘅鴻溝。
• 社群健康工作組概述：喺未來將會建立全球統一嘅維基平台行為準則，闡述維基所有計劃都唔可以容忍嘅行為（好似霸凌、歧視、人肉搜查、未經同意公開私隱）等，提升社群健康多元。
• 多樣性工作組概述：喺未來要所有嘅相關組織（例如各地分會、主題式組織、甚至用戶組）嘅領導層級都可以按照多元族群或者性別嘅背景比例嚟組成理監事或者聯絡人，以最低需要40%男性、40%女性、20%多元族群背景者為組成，如果達成唔到會有相對應的賞罰機制（例如，如果領導比例錯，將唔可以獲得維基的補助）
• 合作關係工作組概述：喺未來，呢個工作組認為要打造培訓合作關係能力嘅教學模組、俾好似喺紀錄建檔、標示啱嘅捐贈來源方⋯⋯同埋建立一個中央基礎設施， 從而令到合作關係可以有更好嘅交流。
• 產品與技術工作組概述：喺未來，令產品同技術相關嘅工作能夠更加從基金會去中心化咁分散出去，呢樣包括邀請更多社群嘅技術人員參與、打造「維基技術宣教團」用深入淺出嘅方式嚟介紹維基媒體計劃上相關嘅技術內涵；對於使用維基的第三方應用，都要花心力嚟開發（例如，依家已經有很多好似係Google Alexa、蘋果Siri等聲控助理用緊維基數據Wikidata呢個計劃，嚟訓練自己公司嘅聲控助理產品）未來運動要花更多心力響了解第三方開放之上。
• 資源分配工作組概述：工作組所講嘅「資源」指財務資源，但也都包括員工時間、能力同數據。喺未來，需要建立平權嘅資源分配系統。呢個工作組所理解嘅平權包含三點——（一）機會（例如利用系統同獲得資源）、（二）權力（例如就資源做出決策嘅能力、改變文化現況嘅能力）同（三）產出。
• 收入流工作組概述：喺未來，增加維基媒體運動財務收入嘅方式，可以透過「用API要收費」、「品牌授權（將產品標上維基商標販售後獲得權利金）」等方式獲取支持維基媒體運動永續運作嘅經費。
• 角色與責任工作組概述：喺未來，要將集中喺北營（發達國家）嘅決策權力分散俾更多非英語使用者、令決策機制更貼近社群，並建立一個全球認同嘅「憲章/章程」嚟作為未來的維基媒體組織治理基礎。

呢啲議題響其他社群都引起咗許多嘅討論，期待中文社群都有機會多方表達自己嘅想像。今次建議草案嘅收集期限為期兩週，我將會喺9月15日截止回饋俾策略核心團隊，歡迎在此之前大家有任何問題、意見，都不吝向我直接提出，或者喺此文後續發表，令九個工作組能夠及時獲得社群的回饋，令我哋向住更開放嘅人類知識總和前進！多謝。

--AINH (傾偈) 2019年9月3號 (二) 09:20 (UTC)（代LShangkuan (WMF)發文）

粵文維基嘅寒冬？

粵文維基由73000篇文去到74000篇文，總共用咗126日，平均每日增長唔夠8篇，表現係自2013年6月（22000到23000篇文）以嚟最差。呢度編者以香港人為主，唔知係咪受到近期反修例運動嘅社會氣氛打擊寫文興緻喇。其實睇粵維嘅人本嚟都唔少——自從Google響今年3月中疑似修改過演算法令粵維嘅結果更易出現之後，粵維每日平均瀏覽人次就由約莫8萬增加超過一倍到約莫18萬，可惜當睇文嘅人多咗，寫文嘅人反而無乜點多過。粵維呢個寒冬似乎唔易捱過。--Kowlooner (傾偈) 2019年9月8號 (日) 14:08 (UTC)

@Kowlooner： 我諗除咗反送中運動之外，粵維之前由69000衝到上72000其實有唔少人喺度特登衝文章數目。衝咗幾個月，寫噉好多題材嘅楔位文，而家就要專注寫長、寫靚啲文，所以少咗新文。翹仔 (傾偈) 2020年2月13號 (四) 11:13 (UTC)

社群知悉

宜家由於有不知頭路嘅事由，有啲中維朋友預想鏟走表示啲唔同外文乃至拼寫嘅標註，開個波真係夠勁，擾攘幾個月，呢陣仲開啟咗投票頁，照家下睇影響可比某童佳，預計未來可能影響到中維度部分粵地啲花名嘅存廢。呢度廣知各同仁，包括港澳等仲有起碼小小區隔嘅自己友，都唔好唔放在心同眼度。各位經歷多或者仲處喺低谷，理解各自或者唔係幾有幹勁，呢度仲係希望各位打醒返精神，要心知，自己圍遲早都係會面對著其他幾語圍受過啲路數，變動可事關唔同幾圍包括成個粵語圍嘅未來，謹此希望冬日度各位都可以出返來多啲走動，把握好有限嘅時間同空間。——Longway22 (傾偈) 2019年10月25號 (五) 14:54 (UTC)

其實你哋鍾意嘅話，你哋呢度自己立例話要留咪得囉，使唔使反應得咁誇張呀。Sanmosa _54歲少女 2019年11月12號 (二) 09:10 (UTC)

News Report

Here's some new reports from Freedom House,especial this one,everybody should take a look.——Longway22 (傾偈) 2020年1月16號 (四) 04:46 (UTC)

共享圖片畀刪除咗，「網民虛構」可成標靶

依家中維有幾個修訂動作要大規模清查圖片，而呢家廣東木棉花嘅圖片Kapok flag.svg喺共享度畀Arthur_Crbz刪除咗，之前中維度嘅User陳白腸堅稱網民虛構圖片刪咗好多次，同Roy17又係有非常之近似嘅表現，另外仲反复要求嘅係提供返圖片標誌原製作人資料，呢家Arthur_Crbz共享度刪咗就要提供個人嘅版權授權，懷疑係有起底原初啲設計人嘅行動，包括港澳朋友等亦都要注意，因為宜家嘅多數同木棉花相似嘅圖片標誌都係會有所謂嘅「網民虛構」性質，版權資料會同家下啲正規版權要求有所衝突，呢點恐怕會畀集中利用，User:PQ77wd、User:S7w4j9，User:Wpcpey，懷疑方針同共享空間等係有多個帳嘅會聯同Roy17等有更多對粵維中維等不利影響，應要擴大關注。——Longway22 (傾偈) 2020年1月25號 (六) 03:36 (UTC)

@Longway22：「網民虛構」嘅情況係噉：如果支旗唔出名，噉擺上維基共享就冇教育價值。但如果出咗名，就要確認上載人真係有版權。所以點都係要電郵確認著作權。翹仔 (傾偈) 2020年1月28號 (二) 22:05 (UTC)

@Deryck Chan：呢個圖案相當耐勒，相信匿名原作人初頭經係貢獻咗版權出來，用作公共標誌用途，相當係畀社群度有得非盈利合理使用，認為可以使用公共領域嘅例如PD-ineligible標識，同刪除嘅管理留言咗但對方未有回覆。呢陣如此照搬所謂規程處理，應該要合理考慮到特殊性同可預見嘅影響，以（社群）公共利益出發考慮，盡量避免牽涉匿名原作人等問題。——Longway22 (傾偈) 2020年1月29號 (三) 03:01 (UTC)

最新回覆踢波去恢復版面度提出請求。——Longway22 (傾偈) 2020年1月29號 (三) 09:33 (UTC)

有冇link？另外，Commons拗唔掂數嘅話，可以考慮以公平使用做理由喺粵文維基本地上載（如果有篇文特登講呢支旗同佢相關嘅社群）。翹仔 (傾偈) 2020年1月31號 (五) 13:45 (UTC)

‎@Deryck Chan：踢波1，‎波場2，歡迎落場轉圈。——Longway22 (傾偈) 2020年1月31號 (五) 14:14 (UTC)

‎@Deryck Chan：踢咗去冷板凳，若果本地上載替換陣係要點改個鏈接，未試過用第啲空間嘅文件，唔係幾熟悉。——Longway22 (傾偈) 2020年2月1號 (六) 03:17 (UTC)

@Longway22： 睇嚟共享嗰邊嘅方針就係唔收錄呢啲旗。本站上載啦，如果用返同一個檔名嘅話，喺文章度入圖嘅維基字一樣。翹仔 (傾偈) 2020年2月1號 (六) 20:48 (UTC)

學習粵文

你好，請問有哪一些網站/網上資源可以幫助新手學習粵文書寫？--219.77.44.21（討論） 2020年2月20號 (四) 11:31 (UTC)

你好！睇下你識唔識講粵語。如果識聽識講粵語，但冇寫開粵文，建議睇下講故盧點樣用粵文寫科學同文學評論，同埋擇言嘅粵文規範討論。如果未識講粵語嘅話，就要睇下你母語係乜嚟建議教材畀你。翹仔 (傾偈) 2020年2月28號 (五) 11:30 (UTC)

引用模組

我今晚會嘗試更新Module:Citation/CS1系列，即係Template:引網之類引用模背後嘅模組。之前我同User:Roy17分別失敗過，但我去咗英維取經，希望今次成功。

• User:Shinjiman：搞完可能要搵你幫手。
• User:Dr. Greywolf：如果成功嘅話，要搵你幫手執靚啲本地化字串。

如果失敗嘅話，我會喺24個鐘內自我還原。但更新期間，啲文可能會有好多紅字。翹仔 (傾偈) 2020年3月14號 (六) 22:36 (UTC)

搞掂。我盡量抄返晒啲本地化字串，不過有兩類冇抄到：

1. Error message 同維修分類名我由佢繼續英文，因為似乎每個版本會變。User:Shinjiman：你譯咗之前啲維修分類名，點睇？
2. 啲圖書庫嘅 link target 我冇譯，因為可以用跳轉嘅方法解決。

另外我問緊人點搞日期格式。而家又出咗一堆「15 三月 2020」形狀嘅嘢，希望可以變返做「2020年3月15號」。 翹仔 (傾偈) 2020年3月15號 (日) 00:12 (UTC)

呢啲類會喺各個模組裏面搵得到，有時需要搵返Transluction或者Whatslinkhere先得。 Shinjiman ⇔ ♨ 2020年3月15號 (日) 13:01 (UTC)