Wikipedia:城市論壇
呢個係城市論壇 (全部)嘅頁面，係會列出現時所有嘅討論以便閱讀。去城市論壇睇吓城市討論嘅部份，又或者撳吓喺每一個小節中嘅編輯連結去表達你嘅意見。要睇吓喺呢一頁嘅全部修訂，撳喺上面嘅歷史連結，並依照螢光幕上面嘅指示。
撳吓呢度去清除喺呢一頁嘅伺服器快取（去睇響城市討論部份嘅最近更改）
歡迎嚟到城市論壇。呢一組頁面係用嚟討論有關技術問題、政策，同埋維基百科嘅運作，分成六個地方。
呢版唔係用嚟做討論。請用下面嘅表去搵出最適合嘅部份貼文，或者貼喺「雜項」部份。請喺有關嘅版度貼文時簽名同埋加上日期（用~~~~或者喺編輯工具列中撳一下簽名掣）。
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目錄
- 1 消息
- 2 政策
- 3 技術
- 3.1 Developer Wishlist Survey: propose your ideas
- 3.2 喺明細模入面用維基數據
- 3.3 Developer Wishlist Survey: Vote for Proposals
- 3.4 粵語維基百科支唔支持語音輸入
- 3.5 Review of initial updates on Wikimedia movement strategy process
- 3.6 本地嘅「系統信息」翻譯
- 3.7 Overview #2 of updates on Wikimedia movement strategy process
- 3.8 執頭執尾
- 3.9 We invite you to join the movement strategy conversation (now through April 15)
- 3.10 Template:疾病明細有問題
- 3.11 Start of the 2017 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees elections
- 3.12 Read-only mode for 20 to 30 minutes on 19 April and 3 May
- 3.13 New Page previews feature
- 3.14 懷疑模:Navbox有問題
- 3.15 Voting has begun in 2017 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees elections
- 3.16 Beta Feature Two Column Edit Conflict View
- 3.17 Editing News #1—2017
- 3.18 RevisionSlider
- 3.19 Join the next cycle of Wikimedia movement strategy discussions (underway until June 12)
- 3.20 New notification when a page is connected to Wikidata
- 3.21 修改相撞對照器
- 3.22 Start of the 2017 Wikimedia Foundation Funds Dissemination Committee elections
- 4 提議
- 5 協助
- 6 雜項
多個7日嘅討論（根據最後嘅評論）會被移動到每個部份嘅分頁（叫做(小節名)/歸檔）。哩啲嘅討論會再喺嗰度保留7日。喺哩一段嘅時間嘅討論，如果可以嘅話，就可以移動到有關嘅對話頁。喺7日之後嘅討論會喺歸檔頁同埋主頁度刪除。佢哋之前嘅討論仍然可以喺佢哋嘅頁面歷史中搵到（可能會比較難搵到）但係唔可以搜尋到。
消息
《維基粵刊》
參照en:Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost同m:Tech/News格式嘅《維基粵刊》已經初步成立，測試版《試刊號》將會響3月頭出版，內容將涵蓋成個2月入面粵維發生過嘅大小事，以及有資深維基友專訪。歡迎大家訂閱同加入編輯團隊。由於官方訂閱區同加入編輯團隊區重未啟用，請有意訂閱或者做《維刊》編輯嘅人士響我嘅用戶傾偈頁留低訊息，唔該。LC 年尾趕五萬大關！ 2017年2月11號 (六) 14:39 (UTC)
粵維文章數嘅一個好消息、一個壞消息
粵維文章數今日經已超越海地文維基百科，升到第76位，再創粵維史上新高，係個好消息。但壞消息就係「更上一層樓」嘅難度亦係前所未有咁高，因為第75位嘅舊白俄羅斯文維基百科經已有超過六萬篇文，同我哋相差超過九千篇文，係我哋文數嘅近18%。過去一個月，我哋每日平均多22.9篇文，佢哋每日平均多6.3篇文，假設大家速度唔變，我哋都要545日（超過18個月）先至追過佢哋。
雖然名次短期唔可以再衝上去，但希望大家都繼續努力寫多啲文。--Kowlooner (傾偈) 2017年2月19號 (日) 11:47 (UTC)
聽日伺服器搬屋
維基百科嘅主機將於5月3號協調世界時下午兩點(東八區時間夜晚十點)搬屋，到時維基百科會有大概20至30分鐘只准睇，唔畀改。多謝大家留意。詳情請睇維基元相關資訊。翹仔 (傾偈) 2017年5月2號 (二) 17:09 (UTC)
政策
強烈建議儘快廢除「直接引用英維規矩」嘅作法
我唔怕老實講嘞：幾個月前我喺英維想告人砌我生豬肉（砌我生豬肉嗰個人誣告我洗版，但係我祇係剷走徂啲知識錯誤），結果掉返轉頭被佢啲支持者告我「battleground behaviour」，之後重被人封徂，而砌我生豬肉嗰個人就全身而退，乜事都無。我試過以「被人砌生豬肉」為理由上訴，但係都被啲管理員駁回徂，其中一個理由係英維有反對上訴嘅「WP:STICK」。今次係我第一次真真正正恁領教到英維嘅爾種「文化」：砌人生豬肉可以全身而退，而要求砌生豬肉嘅人道歉反而係「battleground behaviour」，而要求平反竟然重可以成為拒絕解封我嘅理由。同英維相反嘅係：喺法維，就算你係管理員都好，如果對方證明到你話錯徂佢嘅話，你都一定起碼要承認「係我搞錯」。
經歷過今次事件之後，我前所未有恁感覺到粵維一定要儘快廢除「直接引用英維規矩」爾種做法，係恁意用少少時間訂立自己嘅規矩。粵維嘅發展已經到徂一個分叉路口，之後點樣發展，應該要提上議事日程嘞。【粵語文學大使殘陽孤侠】熱烈慶祝粵維超過兩個月無鷄屎！ 2017年1月28號 (六) 17:48 (UTC)
- 粵維有自己全套規矩當然最理想，之不過一路以嚟呢度無乜人手，要短時間定好晒所有規矩並唔現實。或者可以優先傾下一啲你覺得唔應該跟英維規矩，訂立粵維對應嘅規矩；其他你無乜異議嘅就繼續跟住英維先。--Kowlooner (傾偈) 2017年1月29號 (日) 12:56 (UTC)
- 都好。我首先要提議嘅係兩條關於錯誤控訴導致嘅戰場行為嘅規矩：
- 如果任何人（包括IP）能夠證明『用戶A對用戶B作出嘅戰場行為，係用戶B錯誤指控用戶A違反維基規矩嘅直接後果』嘅話，管理員喺勸告完爭拗雙方後，可以單方面酌情特赦用戶A喺遭到用戶B錯誤指控之後對用戶B作出嘅第一次戰場行為，除非用戶A喺爾次戰場行為裡面對用戶B作出徂人身攻擊。爾條規矩祇適用於違反維基規則嘅指控，而唔適用於純粹關於內容嘅爭拗，亦唔會豁免用戶A喺遭到用戶B錯誤指控之後對用戶B作出嘅超過一次戰場行為，以減少「得理不饒人」嘅現象出現。
- 如果以下條件全部符合澌：
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- 用戶A對用戶B作出嘅戰場行為，係用戶B錯誤指控用戶A違反維基規矩嘅直接後果；
- 用戶A喺遭到用戶B錯誤指控之後，祇對用戶B作出徂一次戰場行為，而且喺管理員勸交之後立即停火；
- 用戶A對用戶B作出嘅第一次戰場行為唔包含人身攻擊；
- 用戶A無其他未被管理員處理嘅違規行為；
- 咁就算全民公投結果支持無限期封禁用戶A，管理員都唔應該無限期封禁用戶A。相反，如果任何人確認用戶B嘅指控錯誤，但係用戶B就硬係唔肯收返啲指控嘅話，管理員有權單方面封禁用戶B，以儆效尤。
- 當然，如果管理員能夠令雙方達成調解嘅話當然最好。關鍵係要令雙方有足夠空間為自己辯護。
- 【粵語文學大使殘陽孤侠】熱烈慶祝粵維超過兩個月無鷄屎！ 2017年1月31號 (二) 07:25 (UTC)
- 都好。我首先要提議嘅係兩條關於錯誤控訴導致嘅戰場行為嘅規矩：
Cedric，我啱啱先第一次知道英文維基百科ANI嘅同仁趕咗你走，我睇到都唔開心。作為一個英維出身嘅粵維人，我想解釋下點解會有en:WP:STICK。維基媒體係一個開源協作項目，人人都可以改。若然以理服眾，達成共識固然好，但有啲時候傾唔埋欄都無符，某程度嘅少數服從大多數就成為必需。維基上嘅規矩與其話係規矩，不如話係約定俗成，然後寫低為證。因為如果大家都唔跟某條規矩，條規矩其實就蕩然無存。求證得到亦係來自同一個思維，因為「絕對真相」唔係咁容易搵到，亦唔應該係百科全書嘅目標；我哋嘅目標係搵大多數人嘅共識。
若然我能服眾固然好，但當好唔好彩，絕大部分人都唔同意我嘅時候，就算我幾啱都好，如果我堅持一個打十個，最後大家都係難受。en:WP:STICK嘅用意就係話，雖然要屈服嘅感覺唔好，但係大家都係義工，與其繼續傷和氣，不如分道揚鑣啦。
我參與咗維基百科咁多年，試過唔少要服輸走人嘅情況。舉幾個例：
- 英文維基百科唔當香港係"country"，香港中央圖書館唔算「國家圖書館」。嗰陣時打交打到當年喺英維最活躍嘅香港編輯Instantnood被永久封禁。(en:Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Instantnood 3)我服輸，唔再理單嘢，後來唔同嘅列表之中，有啲當香港係"country"、有啲唔當，妥我嘅我盡量參與，唔妥我嘅算數。
- 英文維基百科2011年一場大龍鳳後，欽定將「中國」等同「中華人民共和國」、「台灣」等同「中華民國」。事後證明搞到一鑊泡[1]。我叫佢哋自己死掂佢。
- 粵維其實有啲做法我都唔係咁同意。粵維嘅行文近年傾向淺說，但係我就想行文盡量貼近日常口語。例如我傾向「(手寫)粵語」多過「粵文」、「歷史」多過「史」、「參考」多過「攷」、「啲」多過「尐」等等。不過大家有熱誠，我時間有限，大棚人想點做就點做啦。
英維人數多過粵維好多，所以有需要寫低呢啲細節嘅規矩。粵維仍然人少，無辦法乜規矩都訂一份，所以原則上直接借用維基媒體、英文維基百科、中文維基百科(順次序)嘅規矩，除非我哋有自己本土化嘅規矩。我同意Kowlooner講，我哋無需要廢除「除非特別說明，否則借用英維規矩」嘅原則。不過既然Cedric你講到出口，我哋不妨揼一份啱粵維用嘅紛爭調解原則。
講咁多，最後就係... Cedric，雖然英維唔要你，但粵維需要你，多啲寫文，多啲喺度傾嘢啊！翹仔 (傾偈) 2017年2月2號 (四) 20:51 (UTC)
技術
Developer Wishlist Survey: propose your ideas
At the Wikimedia Developer Summit, we decided to organize a Developer Wishlist Survey, and here we go:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Developer_Wishlist
The Wikimedia technical community seeks input from developers for developers, to create a high-profile list of desired improvements. The scope of the survey includes the MediaWiki platform (core software, APIs, developer environment, enablers for extensions, gadgets, templates, bots, dumps), the Wikimedia server infrastructure, the contribution process, and documentation.
The best part: we want to have the results published by Wednesday, February 15. Yes, in a month, to have a higher chance to influence the Wikimedia Foundation annual plan FY 2017-18.
There's no time to lose. Propose your ideas before the end of January, either by pushing existing tasks in Phabricator or by creating new ones. You can find instructions on the wiki page. Questions and feedback are welcome especially on the related Talk page.
The voting phase is expected to start on February 6 (tentative). Watch this space (or even better, the wiki page) - SSethi_(WMF) January 21st, 2017 3:07 AM (UTC)喺明細模入面用維基數據
呢個明細模嘅特點係佢直接用維基數據，唔使每次用嘅時候都打啲資料入去。維基數據係近幾年嘅發明，啲數據有條有理，方便更新，希望越來越多明細模會咁用。
User:William915：Module:Wikidata係你搬入嚟粵維嘅。你點睇？翹仔 (傾偈) 2017年2月3號 (五) 12:06 (UTC)
- 而家有埋Template:航空公司明細喇！翹仔 (傾偈) 2017年3月1號 (三) 15:59 (UTC)
Developer Wishlist Survey: Vote for Proposals
Almost two weeks ago, the Technical Collaboration team invited proposals for the first edition of the Developer Wishlist survey!
We collected around 77 proposals that were marked as suitable for the developer wishlist and met the defined scope and criteria. These proposals fall into the following nine categories: Frontend, Backend, Code Contribution (Process, Guidelines), Extensions, Technical Debt, Developer Environment, Documentation, Tools (Phabricator, Gerrit) and Community Engagement.
Voting phase starts now and will run until February 14th, 23:59 UTC. Click here on a category and show support for the proposals you care for most. Use the 'Vote' and 'Endorse' buttons next to a proposal to do so.
What happens next?
Proposals that will gather most votes will be included in the final results which will be published on Wednesday, February 15th. These proposals will also be considered in the Wikimedia Foundation’s annual plan FY 2017-18 - SSethi_(WMF) (talk) 04:41, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
粵語維基百科支唔支持語音輸入
我依家用智能手機 將發音轉中文字. 稍微修改一下. 加標點符號. 就做到 依家 顯示嗰啲字. 用語音指示 出現 乜嘢功能 就好似仲未得.--Ktsquare (傾偈) 2017年2月8號 (三) 02:36 (UTC)
Review of initial updates on Wikimedia movement strategy process
Note: Apologies for cross-posting and sending in English. Message is available for translation on Meta-Wiki.
The Wikimedia movement is beginning a movement-wide strategy discussion, a process which will run throughout 2017. For 15 years, Wikimedians have worked together to build the largest free knowledge resource in human history. During this time, we've grown from a small group of editors to a diverse network of editors, developers, affiliates, readers, donors, and partners. Today, we are more than a group of websites. We are a movement rooted in values and a powerful vision: all knowledge for all people. As a movement, we have an opportunity to decide where we go from here.
This movement strategy discussion will focus on the future of our movement: where we want to go together, and what we want to achieve. We hope to design an inclusive process that makes space for everyone: editors, community leaders, affiliates, developers, readers, donors, technology platforms, institutional partners, and people we have yet to reach. There will be multiple ways to participate including on-wiki, in private spaces, and in-person meetings. You are warmly invited to join and make your voice heard.
The immediate goal is to have a strategic direction by Wikimania 2017 to help frame a discussion on how we work together toward that strategic direction.
Regular updates are being sent to the Wikimedia-l mailing list, and posted on Meta-Wiki. Beginning with this message, monthly reviews of these updates will be sent to this page as well. Sign up to receive future announcements and monthly highlights of strategy updates on your user talk page.
Here is a review of the updates that have been sent so far:
- Update 1 on Wikimedia movement strategy process (15 December 2016)
- Introduction to process and information about budget spending resolution to support it
- Update 2 on Wikimedia movement strategy process (23 December 2016)
- Start of search for Lead Architect for movement strategy process
- Update 3 on Wikimedia movement strategy process (8 January 2017)
- Plans for strategy sessions at upcoming Wikimedia Conference 2017
- Update 4 on Wikimedia movement strategy process (11 January 2017)
- Introduction of williamsworks
- Update 5 on Wikimedia movement strategy process (2 February 2017)
- The core movement strategy team, team tracks being developed, introduction of the Community Process Steering Committee, discussions at WikiIndaba conference 2017 and the Wikimedia movement affiliates executive directors gathering in Switzerland
- Update 6 on Wikimedia movement strategy process (10 February 2017)
- Tracks A & B process prototypes and providing feedback, updates on development of all four Tracks
More information about the movement strategy is available on the Meta-Wiki 2017 Wikimedia movement strategy portal.
Posted by MediaWiki message delivery on behalf of the Wikimedia Foundation, 2017年2月15號 (三) 20:31 (UTC) • 請幫手去譯做你嘅語言 • Get help
本地嘅「系統信息」翻譯
本維基好似係用緊幾個本地嘅翻譯，如[2]，不如同translatewiki統一咗佢啦…Suzukaze-c (傾偈) 2017年3月2號 (四) 17:38 (UTC)
- 最先要做嘅嘢係將 MediaWiki i18n 未有嘅嘢譯埋佢。跟住就可以刪走本維基嘅信息。我可以幫手刪信息。翹仔 (傾偈) 2017年3月3號 (五) 17:45 (UTC)
- User:Suzukaze-c 呢度... [3] 翹仔 (傾偈) 2017年3月3號 (五) 18:05 (UTC)
Overview #2 of updates on Wikimedia movement strategy process
Note: Apologies for cross-posting and sending in English. This message is available for translation on Meta-Wiki.
As we mentioned last month, the Wikimedia movement is beginning a movement-wide strategy discussion, a process which will run throughout 2017. This movement strategy discussion will focus on the future of our movement: where we want to go together, and what we want to achieve.
Regular updates are being sent to the Wikimedia-l mailing list, and posted on Meta-Wiki. Each month, we are sending overviews of these updates to this page as well. Sign up to receive future announcements and monthly highlights of strategy updates on your user talk page.
Here is a overview of the updates that have been sent since our message last month:
- Update 7 on Wikimedia movement strategy process (16 February 2017)
- Development of documentation for Tracks A & B
- Update 8 on Wikimedia movement strategy process (24 February 2017)
- Introduction of Track Leads for all four audience tracks
- Update 9 on Wikimedia movement strategy process (2 March 2017)
- Seeking feedback on documents being used to help facilitate upcoming community discussions
More information about the movement strategy is available on the Meta-Wiki 2017 Wikimedia movement strategy portal.
Posted by MediaWiki message delivery on behalf of the Wikimedia Foundation, 2017年3月9號 (四) 19:43 (UTC) • 請幫手去譯做你嘅語言 • Get help
執頭執尾
我最近執整咗城市論壇相關嘅一啲模，包括{{Cent}}、{{城市論壇}}、{{城市論壇分頁}}，而家考慮緊將Wikipedia:城市論壇 (全部)定做Wikipedia:城市論壇嘅頭版。詳情請過去Wikipedia:城市論壇 (提議)道傾。
另外，我整咗Module:AfD log，用喺Wikipedia:刪文討論道，等大家可以一次過睇晒近幾個月嘅討論，唔使搵得咁辛苦。之後會再執整下相關嘅版。請去Wikipedia talk:刪文討論傾。翹仔 (傾偈) 2017年3月15號 (三) 01:27 (UTC)
We invite you to join the movement strategy conversation (now through April 15)
- This message, "We invite you to join the movement strategy conversation (now through April 15)", was sent through multiple channels by Gregory Varnum on 15 and 16 of March 2017 to village pumps, affiliate talk pages, movement mailing lists, and MassMessage groups. A similar message was sent by Nicole Ebber to organized groups and their mailing lists on 15 of March 2017. This version of the message is available for translation and documentation purposes
Dear Wikimedians/Wikipedians:
Today we are starting a broad discussion to define Wikimedia's future role in the world and develop a collaborative strategy to fulfill that role. You are warmly invited to join the conversation.
There are many ways to participate, by joining an existing conversation or starting your own:
Track A (organized groups): Discussions with your affiliate, committee or other organized group (these are groups that support the Wikimedia movement).
Track B (individual contributors): On Meta or your local language or project wiki.
This is the first of three conversations, and it will run between now and April 15. The purpose of cycle 1 is to discuss the future of the movement and generate major themes around potential directions. What do we want to build or achieve together over the next 15 years?
We welcome you, as we create this conversation together, and look forward to broad and diverse participation from all parts of our movement.
- Find out more about the movement strategy process
- Learn more about volunteering to be a Discussion Coordinator
Sincerely,
Nicole Ebber (Track A Lead), Jaime Anstee (Track B Lead), & the engagement support teams2017年3月18號 (六) 05:09 (UTC)
Template:疾病明細有問題
睇呢個版本，幅圖唔識縮細。--Dorishatam (傾偈) 2017年3月25號 (六) 12:03 (UTC)
Start of the 2017 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees elections
Please accept our apologies for cross-posting this message. This message is available for translation on Meta-Wiki.
On behalf of the Wikimedia Foundation Elections Committee, I am pleased to announce that self-nominations are being accepted for the 2017 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees Elections.
The Board of Trustees (Board) is the decision-making body that is ultimately responsible for the long-term sustainability of the Wikimedia Foundation, so we value wide input into its selection. More information about this role can be found on Meta-Wiki. Please read the letter from the Board of Trustees calling for candidates.
The candidacy submission phase will last from April 7 (00:00 UTC) to April 20 (23:59 UTC).
We will also be accepting questions to ask the candidates from April 7 to April 20. You can submit your questions on Meta-Wiki.
Once the questions submission period has ended on April 20, the Elections Committee will then collate the questions for the candidates to respond to beginning on April 21.
The goal of this process is to fill the three community-selected seats on the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees. The election results will be used by the Board itself to select its new members.
The full schedule for the Board elections is as follows. All dates are inclusive, that is, from the beginning of the first day (UTC) to the end of the last.
- April 7 (00:00 UTC) – April 20 (23:59 UTC) – Board nominations
- April 7 – April 20 – Board candidates questions submission period
- April 21 – April 30 – Board candidates answer questions
- May 1 – May 14 – Board voting period
- May 15–19 – Board vote checking
- May 20 – Board result announcement goal
In addition to the Board elections, we will also soon be holding elections for the following roles:
- Funds Dissemination Committee (FDC)
- There are five positions being filled. More information about this election will be available on Meta-Wiki.
- Funds Dissemination Committee Ombudsperson (Ombuds)
- One position is being filled. More information about this election will be available on Meta-Wiki.
Please note that this year the Board of Trustees elections will be held before the FDC and Ombuds elections. Candidates who are not elected to the Board are explicitly permitted and encouraged to submit themselves as candidates to the FDC or Ombuds positions after the results of the Board elections are announced.
More information on this year's elections can be found on Meta-Wiki. Any questions related to the election can be posted on the election talk page on Meta-Wiki, or sent to the election committee's mailing list, board-elections
wikimedia.org.
On behalf of the Election Committee,
Katie Chan, Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Elections Committee
Joe Sutherland, Community Advocate, Wikimedia Foundation
Read-only mode for 20 to 30 minutes on 19 April and 3 May
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The Wikimedia Foundation will be testing its secondary data center in Dallas. This will make sure that Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia wikis can stay online even after a disaster. To make sure everything is working, the Wikimedia Technology department needs to conduct a planned test. This test will show whether they can reliably switch from one data center to the other. It requires many teams to prepare for the test and to be available to fix any unexpected problems.
They will switch all traffic to the secondary data center on Wednesday, 19 April 2017. On Wednesday, 3 May 2017, they will switch back to the primary data center.
Unfortunately, because of some limitations in MediaWiki, all editing must stop during those two switches. We apologize for this disruption, and we are working to minimize it in the future.
You will be able to read, but not edit, all wikis for a short period of time.
- You will not be able to edit for approximately 20 to 30 minutes on Wednesday, 19 April and Wednesday, 3 May. The test will start at 14:00 UTC (15:00 BST, 16:00 CEST, 10:00 EDT, 07:00 PDT, 23:00 JST, and in New Zealand at 02:00 NZST on Thursday 20 April and Thursday 4 May).
- If you try to edit or save during these times, you will see an error message. We hope that no edits will be lost during these minutes, but we can't guarantee it. If you see the error message, then please wait until everything is back to normal. Then you should be able to save your edit. But, we recommend that you make a copy of your changes first, just in case.
Other effects:
- Background jobs will be slower and some may be dropped. Red links might not be updated as quickly as normal. If you create an article that is already linked somewhere else, the link will stay red longer than usual. Some long-running scripts will have to be stopped.
- There will be code freezes for the weeks of 17 April 2017 and 1 May 2017. Non-essential code deployments will not happen.
This project may be postponed if necessary. You can read the schedule at wikitech.wikimedia.org. Any changes will be announced in the schedule. There will be more notifications about this. Please share this information with your community. /User:Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk)
MediaWiki message delivery (傾偈) 2017年4月11號 (二) 17:33 (UTC)
New Page previews feature
New Page previews feature
Read this message in another language • 請幫手去譯做你嘅語言
Hello,
The Reading web team at the Wikimedia Foundation has been working to enable Page previews, a beta feature known previously as Hovercards, as opt-in behavior for logged-in users and the default behavior for logged-out users across Wikipedia projects. Page previews provide a preview of any linked article, giving readers a quick understanding of a related article without leaving the current page. For this project, we are expecting to collect feedback over the following few weeks and tentatively enable the feature in early May, 2017.
A quick note on the implementation:
- For logged-in users who are not currently testing out the beta feature, Page previews will be off by default. Users may turn them on from their user preferences page.
- For logged-out users, the feature will be on by default. Users may disable it at any time by selecting the setting cog available in each preview.
- For users of the Navigation popups gadget, you will not be able to turn on the Page previews feature while using navigational popups. If you would like to try out the Page preview feature, make sure to first turn Navigation popups off prior to turning Page previews on.
You can read more about the feature and the tests we used to evaluate performance, try it out by enabling it from the beta features page, and leave feedback or questions on the talk page.
Thank you, MediaWiki message delivery (傾偈) 2017年4月19號 (三) 16:52 (UTC)
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上面兩個模都係套用模:Navbox來寫，原本我知用*寫排列會每一行高度會增加，所以用隔行指令來寫，但近日發現有人改用*來寫香港選舉模，就順便來呢度講下呢個問題，正常響英文或其他維基用*寫係唔會出現呢種問題，我估計係模:Navbox之類系列參數冇更新，所以搞到一用*排列高度就會增加一行，希望盡速修正，咁就可以用返*來寫排列。櫻花公主 (傾偈) 2017年4月26號 (三) 05:46 (UTC)
- @Shinjiman： 呢個似乎關你最近更近 Navbox 同相關 MediaWiki:Common.css 嘅事，可唔可以睇睇？翹仔 (傾偈) 2017年4月26號 (三) 14:54 (UTC)
Voting has begun in 2017 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees elections
Voting has begun for eligible voters in the 2017 elections for the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees.
The Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees is the ultimate governing authority of the Wikimedia Foundation, a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization registered in the United States. The Wikimedia Foundation manages many diverse projects such as Wikipedia and Commons.
The voting phase lasts from 00:00 UTC May 1 to 23:59 UTC May 14. Click here to vote. More information on the candidates and the elections can be found on the 2017 Board of Trustees election page on Meta-Wiki.
On behalf of the Elections Committee,
Katie Chan, Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Elections Committee
Joe Sutherland, Community Advocate, Wikimedia Foundation
2017年5月3號 (三) 19:15 (UTC)
Beta Feature Two Column Edit Conflict View
Birgit Müller (WMDE) 2017年5月8號 (一) 14:41 (UTC)
Editing News #1—2017
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Did you know that you can review your changes visually?
In visual mode, you will see additions, removals, new links, and formatting highlighted. Other changes, such as changing the size of an image, are described in notes on the side.
Click the toggle button to switch between visual and wikitext diffs.
The wikitext diff is the same diff tool that is used in the wikitext editors and in the page history. You can read and help translate the user guide, which has more information about how to use the visual editor.
Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor Team has spent most of their time supporting the 2017 wikitext editor mode which is available inside the visual editor as a Beta Feature, and adding the new visual diff tool. Their workboard is available in Phabricator. You can find links to the work finished each week at mw:VisualEditor/Weekly triage meetings. Their current priorities are fixing bugs, supporting the 2017 wikitext editor as a beta feature, and improving the visual diff tool.
Recent changes
- A new wikitext editing mode is available as a Beta Feature on desktop devices. The 2017 wikitext editor has the same toolbar as the visual editor and can use the citoid service and other modern tools. Go to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures to enable the 新維基字模式.
- A new visual diff tool is available in VisualEditor's visual mode. You can toggle between wikitext and visual diffs. More features will be added to this later. In the future, this tool may be integrated into other MediaWiki components. [5]
- The team have added multi-column support for lists of footnotes. The
<references />block can automatically display long lists of references in columns on wide screens. This makes footnotes easier to read. You can request multi-column support for your wiki. [6] - You can now use your web browser's function to switch typing direction in the new wikitext mode. This is particularly helpful for RTL language users like Urdu or Hebrew who have to write JavaScript or CSS. You can use Command+Shift+X or Control+Shift+X to trigger this. [7]
- The way to switch between the visual editing mode and the wikitext editing mode is now consistent. There is a drop-down menu that shows the two options. This is now the same in desktop and mobile web editing, and inside things that embed editing, such as Flow. [8]
- The 分類 item has been moved to the top of the 版嘅設定 menu (from clicking on the "hamburger" icon) for quicker access. [9] There is also now a "Templates used on this page" feature there. [10]
- You can now create
<chem>tags (sometimes used as<ce>) for chemical formulas inside the visual editor. [11] - Tables can be set as collapsed or un-collapsed. [12]
- The 特別字元 menu now includes characters for Canadian Aboriginal Syllabics and angle quotation marks (‹› and ⟨⟩) . The team thanks the volunteer developer, Tpt. [13]
- A bug caused some section edit conflicts to blank the rest of the page. This has been fixed. The team are sorry for the disruption. [14]
- There is a new keyboard shortcut for citations:
Control+Shift+Kon a PC, orCommand+Shift+Kon a Mac. It is based on the keyboard shortcut for making links, which isControl+KorCommand+Krespectively. [15]
Future changes
- The team is working on a syntax highlighting tool. It will highlight matching pairs of
<ref>tags and other types of wikitext syntax. You will be able to turn it on and off. It will first become available in VisualEditor's built-in wikitext mode, maybe late in 2017. [16] - The kind of button used to 睇下先, 顯示差異, and finish an edit will change in all WMF-supported wikitext editors. The new buttons will use OOjs UI. The buttons will be larger, brighter, and easier to read. The labels will remain the same. You can test the new button by editing a page and adding
&ooui=1to the end of the URL, like this: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Sandbox?action=edit&ooui=1 The old appearance will no longer be possible, even with local CSS changes. [17] - The outdated 2006 wikitext editor will be removed later this year. It is used by approximately 0.03% of active editors. See a list of editing tools on mediawiki.org if you are uncertain which one you use. [18]
- If you aren't reading this in your preferred language, then please help us with translations! Subscribe to the Translators mailing list or contact us directly, so that we can notify you when the next issue is ready. 多謝！
2017年5月12號 (五) 18:05 (UTC)
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Birgit Müller (WMDE) 2017年5月16號 (二) 14:44 (UTC)
Join the next cycle of Wikimedia movement strategy discussions (underway until June 12)
The Wikimedia movement strategy core team and working groups have completed reviewing the more than 1800 thematic statements we received from the first discussion. They have identified 5 themes that were consistent across all the conversations - each with their own set of sub-themes. These are not the final themes, just an initial working draft of the core concepts.
You are invited to join the online and offline discussions taking place on these 5 themes. This round of discussions will take place between now and June 12th. You can discuss as many as you like; we ask you to participate in the ones that are most (or least) important to you.
Here are the five themes, each has a page on Meta-Wiki with more information about the theme and how to participate in that theme's discussion:
- Healthy, Inclusive Communities
- The Augmented Age
- A Truly Global Movement
- The Most Respected Source of Knowledge
- Engaging in the Knowledge Ecosystem
On the movement strategy portal on Meta-Wiki, you can find more information about each of these themes, their discussions, and how to participate.
Posted by MediaWiki message delivery on behalf of the Wikimedia Foundation • 請幫手去譯做你嘅語言 • Get help2017年5月16號 (二) 21:10 (UTC)
New notification when a page is connected to Wikidata
Hello all,
(請幫手去譯做你嘅語言)
The Wikidata development team is about to deploy a new feature on all Wikipedias. It is a new type of notification (via Echo, the notification system you see at the top right of your wiki when you are logged in), that will inform the creator of a page, when this page is connected to a Wikidata item.
You may know that Wikidata provides a centralized system for all the interwikilinks. When a new page is created, it should be connected to the corresponding Wikidata item, by modifying this Wikidata item. With this new notification, editors creating pages will be informed when another editor connects this page to Wikidata.
This feature will be deployed on May 30th on all the Wikipedias, excepting English, French and German. This feature will be disable by default for existing editors, and enabled by default for new editors.
This is the first step of the deployments, the Wikipedias and other Wikimedia projects will follow in the next months.
If you have any question, suggestion, please let me know by pinging me. You can also follow and leave a comment on the Phabricator ticket.
Thanks go to Matěj Suchánek who developed this feature!
多謝！ Lea Lacroix (WMDE) (talk)
修改相撞對照器
正呀喂：mw:Help:Two Column Edit Conflict View而家可以去「測試功能」道開喇！呢件試用架撐，喺你有Wikipedia:修改相撞嘅時候可以畀一個好啲嘅介面你，一次過睇晒兩個版本嘅分別，然後合併修改。翹仔 (傾偈) 2017年5月17號 (三) 10:17 (UTC)
Start of the 2017 Wikimedia Foundation Funds Dissemination Committee elections
On behalf of the Wikimedia Foundation Elections Committee, we are pleased to announce that self-nominations are being accepted for the 2017 Wikimedia Foundation Funds Dissemination Committee and Funds Dissemination Committee Ombudsperson elections. Please read the letter from the Wikimedia Foundation calling for candidates at on the 2017 Wikimedia Foundation elections portal.
Funds Dissemination Committee
The Funds Dissemination Committee (FDC) makes recommendations about how to allocate Wikimedia movement funds to eligible entities. There are five positions being filled. More information about this role can be found at the FDC elections page.
Funds Dissemination Committee Ombudsperson
The Funds Dissemination Committee Ombudsperson receives complaints and feedback about the FDC process, investigates complaints at the request of the Board of Trustees, and summarizes the investigations and feedback for the Board of Trustees on an annual basis. One position is being filled. More information about this role can be found at the FDC Ombudsperson elections page.
The candidacy submission phase will last until May 28 (23:59 UTC).
We will also be accepting questions to ask the candidates until May 28. You can submit your questions on Meta-Wiki. Once the questions submission period has ended on May 28, the Elections Committee will then collate the questions for the candidates to respond to.
The goal of this process is to fill the five community-selected seats on the Wikimedia Foundation Funds Dissemination Committee and the community-selected ombudsperson. The election results will be used by the Board itself to make the appointments.
The full schedule for the FDC elections is as follows. All dates are inclusive, that is, from the beginning of the first day (UTC) to the end of the last.
- May 15 (00:00 UTC) – May 28 (23:59 UTC) – Nominations
- May 15 – May 28 – Candidates questions submission period
- May 29 – June 2 – Candidates answer questions
- June 3 – June 11 – Voting period
- June 12–14 – Vote checking
- June 15 – Goal date for announcing election results
More information on this year's elections can be found at the 2017 Wikimedia Foundation elections portal.
Please feel free to post a note about the election on your project's village pump. Any questions related to the election can be posted on the talk page on Meta-Wiki, or sent to the election committee's mailing list, board-electionswikimedia.org.
On behalf of the Election Committee,
Katie Chan, Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Elections Committee
Joe Sutherland, Community Advocate, Wikimedia Foundation
2017年5月23號 (二) 21:06 (UTC)
提議
《維基報》
我建議粵維每個月都應該整篇《維基報》講翻粵維嗰個月有乜事發生，我可以做老總。可以參照Meta嘅Tech News。LC 年尾趕五萬大關！ 2017年2月5號 (日) 03:19 (UTC)
- 仲可以參考en:WP:Signpost啊。我覺得呢度有心寫通訊嘅人唔多，不過你有興趣的話不妨一試。翹仔 (傾偈) 2017年2月5號 (日) 22:49 (UTC)
不如合併六個城市論壇？
粵文維基百科有六個城市論壇，係參考開站嘅時候英文維基百科嘅設計。但近幾年，城市論壇六個大題目，加埋其實都係平均每個禮拜先有一兩樣新嘢討論。我拋磚引玉，提議下不如我哋合埋做一個城市論壇，點睇？ 翹仔 (傾偈) 2017年2月5號 (日) 22:52 (UTC)
- 我有保留。宜家「平均每個禮拜先有一兩樣新嘢討論」係因為粵維重細。到時大徂使唔使又試拆返開六個論壇呢？【粵語文學大使殘陽孤侠】熱烈慶祝粵維超過兩個月無鷄屎！ 2017年2月7號 (二) 05:43 (UTC)
- 不過再睇返，其實而家已經有 Wikipedia:城市論壇 (全部)，我想要嘅功能某程度上已經存在... 如果將Wikipedia:城市論壇搬去Wikipedia:城市論壇 (目錄)，然後將Wikipedia:城市論壇 (全部)搬去Wikipedia:城市論壇，有冇反對？翹仔 (傾偈) 2017年3月14號 (二) 12:38 (UTC)
- 我一開始就覺得唔應該拆到太散，合併成一版可以將討論集中化，日後有需要先至可以考慮拆返開。--Kowlooner (傾偈) 2017年3月19號 (日) 12:00 (UTC)
維基愛心
現時大部分維基百科版本，包括英文同中文版，已經裝咗 mw:WikiLove。呢件架生會喺你睇其他人嘅自介嘅時候畀個心心掣你撳，撳咗可以用星章、嘢食等等做留言，鼓勵其他編輯。喺粵維裝呢個功能，大家點睇？翹仔 (傾偈) 2017年3月17號 (五) 14:27 (UTC)
- 如果引入，希望可以做好本土化，譬如入面啲嘢食睇下可唔可以換做具粵、港、澳特色嘅。--Kowlooner (傾偈) 2017年3月19號 (日) 12:05 (UTC)
我話加個拉丁粵拼轉換功能嘅話，你哋覺得點？
我見好多外國人都話覺得粵語粵文好難學。所以我諗完又諗，有咩方法可以幫手令粵語粵文易學啲。我自己學緊日本話，我留意到學日本話最難嘅地方就係日文漢字。我通常見到啲日文漢字都唔識讀；相反啲平假名（指「あいうえお」呢類日文字）因為係拼音文字，一睇就識讀。所以我成日都覺得如果日文維基有個功能可以畀我好似中文繁簡轉換咁，撳個掣就可以將日文漢字轉換做平假名嘅話，我學起日文上尼一定快好多。同一道理，我覺得我哋可以喺粵文維基度加個新功能，好似而家有嘅繁簡轉換咁樣，有個掣一撳就可以將成篇文轉換做用拉丁字母寫嘅粵拼。咁樣想學粵語粵文嘅人就可以一路讀粵文維基嘅漢字粵字，但係一撞到唔識嘅字就可以撳個掣尼睇嗰個字嘅拉丁字母拼音。咁嘅話可以幫到外國人學粵語粵文。
講起上黎，我諗我哋應該同吳語、贛語、客家話、閩東話同閩南話維基百科嘅人講，建議佢哋做同樣嘅事。—之前未簽名嘅留言係由Prince-of-Canton (留言 • 貢獻) 所加入嘅。
- 有一定技術上嘅難度。比如多音字會唔會轉錯咗，呢個可能需要手工校正。之前我哋呢度實驗過試下用拉丁粵文做正式文字寫嘢，最後收咗皮，因爲無公認嘅拉丁文字，我哋呢啲唐人仲係用返唐字做正式文字。話時話，我而家提緊Talk:粵語諺文做實驗性、輔助性嘅注音工具（只係注音，唔係做文字）尚且可能遇到有些少大嘅阻力，我覺得閣下嘅心願可能有啲難達成。BTW，兩種閩語、客家話就係用緊拉丁字寫嘢，其中客家話、閩東話係漢字、拉丁字並行，同樣內容開兩版，閩南語可能用漢字寫爭拗好多，所以全部用拉丁字，僅喺站外開咗個漢字版。另外關於吳語，我幾關注呢門語種，佢哋用拉丁字會有阻力，因爲定邊個做標準係問題，啲人心儀蘇州話（蘇白），但強勢嘅係上海話，但而家上海話變得好多，唔同世代嘅人嘅語音都有啲唔同，齋係分尖團嘅問題就拗餐死。何況而家吳維寫來寫去就係太湖吳語，南部吳語如台州、溫州根本無份參與，佢哋嘅語音差異只會更大。吳語多核心嘅狀態令佢嘅定標準嘅問題好大。只能夠講歷史上有過影響嘅蘇白而家式微咗，導致佢冇咗主心骨去擔當起成個吳語世界，唔似粵語有廣州話做主心骨帶領起成個粵語。--S7w4j9 (傾偈) 2017年4月28號 (五) 13:04 (UTC)
- 若果真係要整注音文字轉換，我反而推薦做粵諺，而非拉丁字。呢度我再次推薦諺文方案，可能有啲人有心理上嘅偏見，覺得嗰啲係韓國人嘅文字，噉講嘅話，拉丁字夠係西洋人嘅文字啦，我哋咪一樣攞過來注音？之所以推薦粵諺做轉換方案，係因爲諺文係方塊字，一字一音，同漢字完美對應（而家已經出現可以做到一字一音轉換嘅粵諺方案）。可以想象下，如果做拉丁字轉換，拉丁字有長有短，總體轉換後嘅文章長度變長，同原文無辦法對應，想搵漢字對應嘅粵音會幾辛苦，嗰種感覺就好似你去食越南米紙卷，個卷紮唔實，一咬散曬，啲料要你攞匙羹畢來食。用粵諺嘅好處係，轉換後嘅文章唔會點變樣，方塊字仲係方塊字，文字對應嘅位置仲喺嗰度，噉樣會好方便睇到漢字對應嘅粵音。其次，粵諺嘅造字極規律，好易上手，同粵拼完全對應轉換，但佢係以方塊字嘅形式呈現。
- 我知道，相比起攞粵諺做實驗注音工具，做轉換嘅睇法更大膽，但係我睇到粵諺嘅潛力，誠意向社羣諸君推薦粵諺，真係可以不妨考慮下粵語諺文。
- @User:WikiCantona、@User:William915、@User:Shinjiman、@User:Kowlooner、@User:HenryLi、@User:Cedric tsan cantonais、@User:昏君、@User:Deryck Chan、@User:广州阿沾、@User:Helpcanbepowerful、＠User:Prince-Of-Canton--S7w4j9 (傾偈) 2017年4月28號 (五) 13:58 (UTC)
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- 可以考慮喺Wikipedia:傳統字同簡化字對換嘅基礎上整個新嘅架生仔，做漢字變拼音文字轉換。翹仔 (傾偈) 2017年4月28號 (五) 15:55 (UTC)
同香港語言學學會合作整粵諺
我同 S7w4j9 傾咗一輪，講有關粵語諺文嘅事。我哋見呢度唔少人都支持喺粵文維基度加個粵諺文字轉換功能，尼幫外國人學粵語。覺得真係有啲搞頭。我哋諗緊不如同香港語言學學會合作：佢哋有研究過粵諺，而且佢哋應該會對保護粵語有興趣。所以我哋提議聯絡吓香港語言學學會（佢哋網址：[19]），話畀佢哋聽我哋打算喺粵文維基度加個粵諺轉換功能，問佢哋可唔可以幫手整翻一套標準嘅粵諺，等我哋可以有個板跟。但係始終 S7w4j9 同我都只係「卒仔」，我哋覺得呢啲嘢揾個管理員或者編輯出馬做代表會好啲。
我已經 draft 好咗個 email 添喇：
Dear Sir/Madam,
Good afternoon. I am [INSERT NAME], the representative of the Cantonese Wikipedia - the wikipedia edition written and spreading knowledge in Cantonese, a beautiful language with a rich heritage. Here, we are writing to inquire about the Linguistic Society of Hong Kong's work on writing Cantonese using Hangul alphabets. We believe this is a key to protecting the Cantonese language.
Recently, our administrators and editors have been having a discussion on how to better help nonnative speakers learn Cantonese. We have thought about adding a function that enables readers to transform our articles into Latin alphabets, a la traditional-simplified Chinese transformation; so that a reader could find the pronunciation of a Chinese/Cantonese character at once when he/she encounters one that he/she does not know. Difficulty in memorizing the pronunciations for individual Chinese logograms have frequently been cited as a major obstacle to learning a Sinitic language (or Japanese, which also uses a large amount of Chinese logograms). Therefore, we believe that such a system will be helpful for helping nonnative speakers learn Cantonese.
However, we have encountered a technical difficulty: Chinese/Cantonese characters are "Square-Block Characters" (方塊字), while Latin alphabets are not. Directly transforming an article written in Cantonese into Latin alphabets causes the positions of words and sentences to change dramatically. This results in the reader having to strenuously search through a deformed article for the logogram he/she is trying to pronounce.
Therefore, we now consider turning to a set of alphabets that are also Square-Block Characters. This led us to consider the Hangul alphabets invented by Koreans. Since both Chinese/Cantonese logograms and Hangul words are Square-Block Characters, direct transformation from one to another will not change the positions of the words and sentences at all. If we add a function to do such transformation on the Cantonese Wikipedia, a reader could easily find the pronunciations of Chinese/Cantonese characters he/she does not know with a simple click. We believe this makes an excellent learning tool for learners of Cantonese.
To our knowledge, the LSHK have studied the issue of writing Cantonese using Hangul alphabets (as in a project titled “訓民粵音”－以諺文書寫廣州話之嘗試 ), and are interested in preserving the Cantonese language. We hereby propose creating a function on our Wikipedia for transforming the written Cantonese into corresponding Hangul words. In this joint effort, the LSHK, with expertise in linguistics, will be responsible for working out an agreed-upon system of writing Cantonese using Hangul. Meanwhile, the staff of the Cantonese Wikipedia, with expertise in Wikipedia programming, will work on the technical aspects of such a function.
We believe that this function will help spread and protect the Cantonese language - a goal which we share.
We, and perhaps the entire community of the Cantonese people, would be very grateful for a positive reply. We wish you a very lovely day.
WIth Kind Regards,
[INSERT NAME}, Editor/administrator of the Cantonese Wikipedia
覺得點？
Prince of Canton (傾偈) 2017年4月30號 (日) 21:57 (UTC)
- 各位過來睇睇，畀啲意見：@User:WikiCantona、@User:William915、@User:Shinjiman、@User:Kowlooner、@User:HenryLi、@User:Cedric tsan cantonais、@User:昏君、@User:Deryck Chan、@User:广州阿沾、@User:Helpcanbepowerful--S7w4j9 (傾偈) 2017年5月1號 (一) 09:43 (UTC)
- ＠User:S7w4j9 睇嚟都係搞唔成... Prince of Canton (傾偈) 2017年5月4號 (四) 03:41 (UTC)
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- ＠翹仔 但係我只係寫過幾編文咋喎，咁都算編輯咩？Prince of Canton (傾偈) 2017年5月7號 (日) 01:36 (UTC)
- ＠翹仔 有呀，我而家喺度好努力咁寫「嶺南文化」呢篇文，重諗住用佢將所有有關嶺南地方文化嘅文串連起佢。如果係咁，我同User:S7w4j9寫個 email 畀香港語言學會傾粵諺嘅事冇問題？我始終想喺呢度收集多幾個 editor 嘅簽名／同意先喐手。Prince of Canton (傾偈) 2017年5月8號 (一) 03:10 (UTC)
- 大家好，我叫 Chaaak，係粵典嘅創辦人亦都係香港語言學學會嘅成員。我唔係用學會嘅身份講嘢，但係我想大概講講學會嘅立場：已經有一套周圍都用嘅粵拼，學會冇能力亦冇資源去推廣其他拼寫系統，遑論話開發另一套系統嘞。韓諺、假名、越南字、注音好多方案都有人試過，要整一套新系統係一件好容易嘅事，你俾幾個鐘我我就可以做到出嚟。但係本身識諺文嘅人就唔多（頂盡一億？隨時少過識聽粵語嘅人口），普遍粵語人都識26個英文字母，但係識韓文書寫系統嘅可能1%都唔到，要測試、開發教材、開發工具、教老師用，唔知要幾多十年。書寫粵語已經叫做好普及，所有人都識睇識寫，而電視台都開始用LSHK粵拼去串字，搞咗20年終於開始說服到香港啲老師去學，一切都係向緊好嘅方向發展。我諗我哋冇理由專登揀條難行嘅路，再重新嚟過。 Chaaak (傾偈) 2017年5月24號 (三) 05:23 (UTC)
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- @Chaaak 都有道理。咁就學日文，喺啲漢字上面寫拼音（日文用平假名，我哋用粵拼）你話點？Prince of Canton (傾偈) 2017年5月24號 (三) 09:23 (UTC)
- @Prince-of-Canton： 咁就即係我哋已經用緊嘅 Template:Ruby-yue。翹仔 (傾偈) 2017年5月31號 (三) 11:36 (UTC)
- @Deryck Chan, 翹仔： 我會建議進一步推呢個功能：唔單止係有個 code 喺度，而係將「喺唐字上面寫明佢哋嘅粵拼」變做一個 apply 嗮落去成個維基度嘅 standard function －所有非常用字都會自動喺啲字上面顯示粵拼，唔使吓吓都打嗰柞 code 。
- @Chaaak 都有道理。咁就學日文，喺啲漢字上面寫拼音（日文用平假名，我哋用粵拼）你話點？Prince of Canton (傾偈) 2017年5月24號 (三) 09:23 (UTC)
--Helpcanbepowerful (傾偈) 2017年6月3號 (六) 08:58 (UTC)
- 多謝@我通知。我覺得可以參考日文維基直接使用平假名作為詞條嘅註音一樣，我哋亦可以直接使用 Jyutping 作為每個詞條嘅註音。另外我唔係幾贊成學習韓國語文嘅文字方案，因為佢完全脫離漢字嘅做法，我實在不敢認同。我反而覺得學習日本會更有好處。
例如詞條「廣州」我哋可以先寫出「gwong2 zau1」再寫埋「グオン ザウ」（例子），而唔係用韓國嘅表音文字加重讀者學習嘅負擔。
--Helpcanbepowerful (傾偈) 2017年6月3號 (六) 08:58 (UTC)
有關粵文拼音功能，我又諗到個方案...
我返屋企又諗咗一輪。本人而家學緊日文，見到日本人點樣解決漢字表音呢個問題：佢吔會喺個漢字嘅上面將佢嘅發音用平假名寫出嚟。例如「日本」喺日文入面嘅發音係「にほん」（Nihon），所以日本人喺寫「日本」呢兩個漢字嗰陣有時會喺呢兩個字上面寫埋平假名「にほん」嚟去表音。我諗粵文都可以做啲類似嘅嘢：好似「你」，「我」，「佢」呢啲咁嘅常用字唔駛 show 拼音，因為見得多就自然識讀。但係一啲冇咁常用嘅字就喺個字上面 show 佢嘅拉丁拼音。咁睇文嗰個人就有得一邊睇一邊學啲冇咁常用字嘅音，幫到佢哋學粵語。你哋話呢個方案點？Prince of Canton (傾偈) 2017年5月10號 (三) 00:45 (UTC)
- 閣下所指嘅係咪好似{{Ruby-yue}}同埋{{Ruby-粵拼}}踙樣？ Shinjiman ⇔ ♨ 2017年5月10號 (三) 00:52 (UTC)
- @Shinjiman 係呀，但就淨係整落啲冇咁常用嘅字度。「你」，「我」，「嘅」呢啲成日用嘅字唔駛，因為見得多自然易記。我建議呢個功能要嵌入去個維基入面，等我哋唔駛打嗰柞 Ruby 碼個維基都會自動出粵拼。Prince of Canton (傾偈) 2017年5月10號 (三) 01:17 (UTC)
--Helpcanbepowerful (傾偈) 2017年6月3號 (六) 09:03 (UTC)
認同，日文嘅表音文字值得粵文學習。拼音可以直接同假名掛鉤對應。我支持 漢字＋粵拼＋假名 註音。
--Helpcanbepowerful (傾偈) 2017年6月3號 (六) 09:03 (UTC)
廣州話拉丁化新文字
在倪海曙的《拉丁化新文字運動的始末和編年紀事》中有一套「廣州話拉丁化新文字」方案。各位可以參考。--Sunshine567 (傾偈) 2017年5月18號 (四) 10:55 (UTC)
關於粵音音譯外文-l尾
之前我寫《馬鞍山市》，寫到佢嘅友好城市時，查到兩個城市嘅粵名，可以確定係當地唐人用粵語音譯嘅名。一個係美國嘅Galesburg，當地粵譯「吉獅堡」，一個係澳洲嘅Kogarah，當地粵譯「高嘉華」，拋開高嘉華，我要討論嘅係吉獅堡。可以睇到gat-si-bou對應嘅係gale-s-burg，其中gale嘅-l用咗粵音-t來對，噉就爲我哋翻譯-l尾提供思路——從音理上講係成立嘅，因爲條脷做嘅動作係一樣嘅，只不過一個發成邊音，一個發成塞音，類似嘅音例可以睇中文古音到韓文嘅音變，中古音嘅-t尾喺現代韓文係-l尾，就係相同嘅脷動作由塞音變爲流音，另外「牡丹」一詞，韓文一般讀molan，丹字由塞音轉流音（部分韓文口音流音轉閃音、顫音）。
噉樣一來，我哋就唔應該下下將-l尾譯成咩「爾」，噉譯係唔啱嘅。普通話由於元音央化捲脷化，佢可以用/ɚ/翻譯，上海話亦由於官話影響，「爾」讀/əl/，亦可以噉翻譯。但我哋係粵語，爲咗維護粵語文嘅純淨，唔應該用噉樣嘅翻譯。我哋喺美國嘅同胞已經爲我哋示範咗噉樣嘅譯例，以後我哋粵維都應該噉樣跟進先係。
順便@Cedric生，你對音理有學問，聽下你意見。--S7w4j9 (傾偈) 2017年6月1號 (四) 12:14 (UTC)
- 香港有唔少地名用「利」去譯 -l，例如「卑利街」、「喇沙利道」。我唔係好信「吉獅堡」個「吉」係特登將 -l 粵譯 -t，反而更似「先就元音再就輔音」。英文世界華僑粵譯地名韻尾 -l 一般直接食入韻母算數，例如雪埠、利物浦、紐卡素。翹仔 (傾偈) 2017年6月5號 (一) 13:12 (UTC)
協助
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我想開一個bot account，請問一個bot係點整㗎？要用啲咩特別軟件？LC 請關注《維基粵刊》 2017年2月11號 (六) 15:06 (UTC)
粤语维基百科的统计数据
如题。边度可以睇到相关嘅资料？--Ktsquare (傾偈) 2017年4月11號 (二) 00:26 (UTC)
雜項
反破壞建議
最近有個胡亂將模板內容惡意粘帖到條目中的浮動IP，曾在文言文、吳語、贛語等百科跨維基活躍，在文言文維基尤為活躍，並且屢教不改，建議封其IP段：124.239.240.0/20。--112.5.237.137（討論） 2017年1月23號 (一) 12:04 (UTC)
翡翠台首播啲戲，播出國可唔可以填埋中國大陸？
講真，我哋呢啲廣東省人，好多時都會睇香港啲電視，話曬香港電視臺啲頻道喺廣東落曬地，香港頻道放嘅戲，廣東省照樣睇到，我當年就喺翡翠台、本港台、明珠台呢啲臺睇埋睇埋唔少戲。講實話，雖則話喺國家地區上屬香港，但喺收睇嘅效果上，實際上中國大陸嘅廣東省肯定係有份。唔知個國家地區可唔可以填埋中國大陸？
（講句可能一啲大一統者唔鍾意聽嘅「偏粵獨」嘅說話，若果廣東省有自己嘅省旗、邦旗，我實會要求喺翡翠台首播嘅戲嗰欄掛上廣東嘅旗仔。廣東人點解就唔可以有自己嘅旗呢？就似香港人有自己嘅旗一樣。聲明：中國政制上我係個聯邦主義者）。--S7w4j9 (傾偈) 2017年2月18號 (六) 12:26 (UTC)
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名嘅問題
- 請問「甲、乙、丙、丁……」嘅乜名（collective name）?
- 又，「壹、貳、叄、肆……」叫乜？
--WikiCantona (傾偈) 2017年5月27號 (六) 05:44 (UTC)
- @WikiCantona： 「天干」、「大寫數字」。你係咪譯緊介面訊息？如果係嘅話，要睇睇條訊息係乜。翹仔 (傾偈) 2017年6月5號 (一) 13:06 (UTC)
重要：管理員活動覆檢
你好。響2013年通過咗一個全域社群共識嘅政策係同拎走「上級權限」（管理員，事務員，等）有關嘅。根據呢件政策，執行員依家覆檢緊響全部Wikipedia Foundation上面未有唔活躍政策嘅管理員嘅活動。基於我哋已經知道最多嘅嘢，你嘅wiki係未有一個由唔活躍戶口度拎走「上級權限」嘅正式程序。噉即係執行員會跟住管理員活躍覆檢嘅程序做嘢。
我哋已經認定咗下面嘅用戶掂到個唔活躍嘅條件（響多過2年度無編輯同埋無日誌紀錄）：
- Hillgentleman (管理員)
呢啲嘅用戶將會收到通知，去問佢哋開始一個社群討論度問吓佢哋想留返佢哋一部份或者全部嘅權限。如果嗰用戶冇應機嘅話，噉佢哋嘅上級權限就會由執行員拎走。
之但係，如果作為你嘅社群想去開一個你自己嘅活動覆檢程序去替代呢個全域嘅一個嘅話，想去幫呢啲唔活躍權限持有者做另一個決定，又或者已經有一個政策而我哋溜咗嘅話，噉就去通知響維基元嘅執行員噉我哋就會知道響你嘅wiki度唔再繼續個權限覆檢。多謝哂， Rschen7754 2017年6月13號 (二) 02:57 (UTC)
請留意Jessechi
（抱歉我不會粵語）zh:Wikipedia:Jessechi是一個在中文維基、文言維基和粵語維基等維基活躍的鬼祟破壞者，其編輯模式固定而且奇葩，經常以無意義的英文和數字為用戶名，並且經常換帳號。他常在中國歷史等領域加入個人看法和錯誤內容。詳情見中文維基的zh:Wikipedia:Jessechi。以下是所有在粵語維基有編輯記錄的帳號：
Bdqp（留言 | 貢獻）、Cillin2017（留言 | 貢獻）、Waeeaw（留言 | 貢獻）、3gs4s6splus（留言 | 貢獻）、Q123456q654321（留言 | 貢獻）、Q123321（留言 | 貢獻）、O99i99（留言 | 貢獻）、不確定別亂封知道嗎（留言 | 貢獻）、Re-begin（留言 | 貢獻）、簡單想編輯（留言 | 貢獻）、Mou-correct（留言 | 貢獻）、Said345（留言 | 貢獻）、Qq11aa22（留言 | 貢獻）、Zaqsweder（留言 | 貢獻）、Chinatw（留言 | 貢獻）、Mlp789（留言 | 貢獻）、Unlimited01（留言 | 貢獻）、Antipokemongo（留言 | 貢獻）、Awaw1111（留言 | 貢獻）、Angrylala（留言 | 貢獻）、Zaza0000（留言 | 貢獻）、Wentgogoing（留言 | 貢獻）、Zqwertyz（留言 | 貢獻）、1qw1as1zx（留言 | 貢獻）、A1b2c3d45e6f（留言 | 貢獻）、1w2a3z（留言 | 貢獻）、Qqzz（留言 | 貢獻）、Zazszx（留言 | 貢獻）、示羽（留言 | 貢獻）、編輯測試（留言 | 貢獻）、人民行動（留言 | 貢獻）
如果發現有破壞行為，我建議直接回退（刪除）、封禁以免浪費社群精力。--逆襲的天邪鬼 (傾偈) 2017年6月19號 (一) 10:34 (UTC)
- 好嘅，到時若果Jessechi夠膽破壞粵維嘅，我唔排除會開WP:持續出沒嘅破壞者/Jessechi呢篇文。上次有個同Nivaljunior差唔多嘅編輯風格用戶已經搞佢頂唔順喇。--PQ77wd (傾偈) 2017年6月20號 (二) 07:41 (UTC)
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- 我提議直接去meta:Steward requests/Checkuser 要求查佢。翹仔 (傾偈) 2017年6月20號 (二) 16:28 (UTC)
- 參考zh:Category:Jessechi的維基用戶分身。一日搞事搞到黑。--ManChiu (talk) 2017年6月20號 (二) 18:43 (UTC)
