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呢版係以往討論嘅歸檔，請唔好改呢版。如果你想發起新嘅討論或者重開家下嘅討論，請係家下討論頁做，唔該。

呢次嘅歸檔係由Shinjiman ⇔ ♨響2023年6月30號 (五) 18:04 (UTC)做嘅。

維基網上國際年會：全域行為準則討論

Hi all, sorry for writing in English here. There will be an Universal Code of Conduct Enforcement Guidelines Roundtable soon. You are also invited to share your questions directly on the page or on the Movement Strategy Forum. Looking forward to seeing you there! VChang (WMF) (傾偈) 2022年8月11號 (四) 13:05 (UTC)

粵文：今日 14:00 UTC (22:00 HKT) 會有 全域行為準則討論，請大家湧躍參與！會前會後都可以去呢度提出討論事項： Movement Strategy Forum 翹仔 (傾偈) 2022年8月11號 (四) 13:36 (UTC)

如果有時間不妨關注Special:UnconnectedPages

以往清理Special:UnconnectedPages（未連到項目嘅版）嘅工作量唔算多，但最近有人開咗大量香港政商界人物嘅文，而嗰位人兄出名冇連Wikidata嘅習慣，而家Special:UnconnectedPages有超過500篇文章，扣除大部份真係粵維獨有嘅文，估計應該仍然有二三十篇可以連去Wikidata項目。最麻煩係中文維基亦唔係篇篇有，就算有同名嘅文又未必係同一個人，所以需要相當多時間逐一去睇。如果有時間，不妨可以幫下手，清得幾多得幾多。 Kwgulden (傾偈) 2022年8月20號 (六) 09:44 (UTC)

我見已經用咗「另類方法」處理，就係冚唪唥開晒Wikidata項目，Special:UnconnectedPages乾淨晒。不過後續就要清理同中文維基同名嘅Wikidata項目（由259個增加到384個）（當然同名未必係講同一個人，所以仍然需要逐一人手比對）。--Kwgulden (傾偈) 2022年9月12號 (一) 08:28 (UTC)

我想問如果 check 咗發現唔同類，點樣update?⸺Al12si (傾偈) 2022年9月12號 (一) 10:23 (UTC)

@Kwgulden：可以去叫User:Universehk去連返。特克斯特 (傾偈) 2022年9月12號 (一) 16:40 (UTC)

同名但講緊唔同嘅嘢，可以喺兩邊item加「different from」嘅Statement；而確定可以合併嘅，用Merge gadget（如果未用過要去Preferences開返）就最方便。不過要比對都唔係簡單嘅事，隨便搵「任達榮 vs zh:任達榮」做例：粵維嘅文只係有佢中文名同選委身份；中維嘅文相對詳盡，但偏偏就未提過佢係選委，即係話兩篇文除咗中文名一樣之外，就見唔到有其他共通點證明係同一個人，係咪同一個人根本無從判斷。正所謂解鈴還須繫鈴人，或者最好都係等Universehk自己處理返最有效率。--Mikedou (傾偈) 2022年9月13號 (二) 11:25 (UTC)

喺早前我都已經將最少三十篇文喺Wikidata嗰邊連過嚟，都整過唔少嘅項目喺度，如果已經有Wikidata項目喺嗰邊嘅話，開咗文章之後就順手喺Wikidata嗰邊連返過嚟，真係冇項目嘅話就喺嗰邊開返一個新嘅項目。 Shinjiman ⇔ ♨ 2022年9月13號 (二) 16:27 (UTC)

我想問如果 merge 唔到應該點處理？例如 Q32163017（得個跳轉）merge 唔到入Q1615964（跳轉去嗰版）

我恁個 UnconnectedPages 列表唔係好可信。我見過幾個都係得個跳轉。有啲直接跳去維基字典，同刪咗版其實冇乜分別，其實我哋唔使嘥時間開維基數據畀呢啲喺用戶角度唔存在嘅版

Sorry 問咁多 stupid question。我從來都冇理過維基數據；我都唔知 Unconnected Pages 而今係冇連維基數據咁解（如果冇記錯，以前係第個意思）

⸺Al12si (傾偈) 2022年9月14號 (三) 04:53 (UTC)

《維基數據》家吓嘅其中一個重要功能就係喺嗰版嘅『話』一段列出其它話嘅版本，可以連到其它話嘅版本，同埋有啲模會喺《維基數據》嗰邊拎嘢，然後整理喺嗰版上面表示，好似一啲社交網嘅戶口或者YouTube頻道噉，各話係共通嘅，噉呢種情況之下用數據嗰邊嘅值做準，為咗都係維護方面唔需要喺各個維基上面做，可以以{{維基數據人物明細}}做例子。另外好似Q32163017呢個項目嘅，應該嗰版改做跳轉版之前就已經開咗項目版，所以先至會有嗰個項目。 Shinjiman ⇔ ♨ 2022年9月14號 (三) 05:34 (UTC)

如果嗰版本身係跳轉嘅話，係唔會計入Special:UnconnectedPages裏面。 Shinjiman ⇔ ♨ 2022年9月14號 (三) 07:49 (UTC)

既然系統歡迎，得閒就做啦，唔得閒咪等有心人囉……或者善用中文版維基百科嗰啲多餘人手比較有效。其實駁過去冇乜實質作用，甚至有害；除非粵文版嗰篇有個得獎嘜頭，令到俾互聯網搜尋引擎帶咗去睇中文版嘅人，順便睇多個版本。寫長篇內容嘅人得咁少，唔應該太介意佢哋有些少壞習慣。當兩篇唔同名嘅文經維基數據相連，谷歌就會按偏頗規則，將中文版嗰篇標題唔完全匹配嘅，擺喺頭幾個搜尋結果之中，而當粵文版嗰篇標題完全匹配嘅多餘，唔畀人一下子見到；當兩篇同名，唔使多講……政治及商業打壓學術，搞到個問題好複雜。--110.174.132.162（討論） 2022年9月14號 (三) 08:59 (UTC)

Al12si提到Special:UnconnectedPages見到跳轉版，其實多數都係掛咗即刪模而未被處理嘅無效跳轉版。至於IP友提到連去中文維基嘅顧慮，我覺得如果篇文中文維基一早已經建立咗，粵維唔連過去係粵維蝕底；反而粵維率先建立嘅文，第日當中維跟風建立，連結嘅責任自然就落響中維嗰邊，粵維唔需要刻意幫手。--Kowlooner (傾偈) 2022年9月18號 (日) 14:20 (UTC)

The 2022 Board of Trustees election Community Voting period is now open

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多啲話 • 請幫手去譯做你嘅語言

Hi everyone,

The Community Voting period for the 2022 Board of Trustees election is now open. Here are some helpful links to get you the information you need to vote:

• Try the Election Compass, showing how candidates stand on 15 different topics.
• Read the candidate statements and answers to Affiliate questions
• Learn more about the skills the Board seeks and how the Analysis Committee found candidates align with those skills

If you are ready to vote, you may go to SecurePoll voting page to vote now. You may vote from August 23 at 00:00 UTC to September 6 at 23:59 UTC. To see about your voter eligibility, please visit the voter eligibility page.

Best,

Movement Strategy and Governance

This message was sent on behalf of the Board Selection Task Force and the Elections Committee

RamzyM (WMF) and VChang (WMF) 2022年8月23號 (二) 17:10 (UTC)

｢廣東話簡介｣ 求改錯字

有權改呢個模嘅可唔可以麻煩改幾個錯字？法文嗰段有兩個 ｢Cantonais｣，全部應該細楷（即係 ｢Bienvenue à la version Cantonais de Wikipédia. Le Cantonais est…｣ 入面嗰兩個）。法文同英文唔同，語言名唔係專有名詞；除非開句，否則一律細楷。（Cantonais 唔係唔可以大楷，但係係廣東人咁解，唔係廣東話。）

另外，最尾嘅 ｢populaire culture cantonaise｣ 應該係 ｢culture populaire cantonaise｣ 先啱。

不過有冇其他錯我唔知，我嘅法文係有限公司。

芬蘭文都有問題，不過冇解決方案⸺我睇到嘅係 ｢kantonilaiseen versioon｣ 係 ｢廣東人版本｣ (‐lainen = 人，字根 laise-，case ending -VVn 唔記得係乜，應該可能係 ｢來到｣ 之類)，唔係廣東話版本；廣東話版本應該係類似 ｢kantoniin versioon｣ （我個 case ending 應該錯咗，唔好信我）⸺我嘅芬蘭文係BB級以下，如果有人識芬蘭文我恁最好 check 下呢段。⸺Al12si (傾偈) 2022年8月26號 (五) 08:08 (UTC)

@Al12si：法文嗰到改咗。利申：我嘅法文都係有限公司。 ——Z423X5C6（傾偈） 2022年9月10號 (六) 08:59 (UTC)

芬蘭文部分嘅最新結果

芬蘭文部分我搵咗個芬蘭朋友睇過，佢覺得冇乜大問題，不過如果要清楚啲可以清楚啲。佢嘅回答係咁：

I have read the Finnish part several times and don't really find so much to correct in it.

我睇過芬蘭文嘅部分，睇過幾次都搵唔到有乜要改正嘅地方。

（我同佢講我覺得 ｢kantonilaiseen versioon｣ 有問題）

it could be phrased 'kantoninkieliseen versioon' and that would emphasize that it's about language not the people or location where it's spoken

可以寫 ｢kantoninkieliseen versioon｣ 強調指話，而唔係指人或者指講嗰種話嘅地方

But I don't think the issue is very big. Most of the use of language is somewhat ambiguous and people always have to interpret

不過我唔覺得係咁大嘅問題；凡係人話，通常都係有啲模糊，要讀者詮釋先得

如果有人有權限又想寫清楚啲，就係上面寫嘅咁改。⸺Al12si (傾偈) 2022年9月27號 (二) 05:51 (UTC)

Invitation to join the Movement Strategy Forum

Hello everyone,

The Movement Strategy Forum (MS Forum) is a multilingual collaborative space for all conversations about Movement Strategy implementation.

We are inviting all Movement participants to collaborate on the MS Forum. The goal of the forum is to build community collaboration, using an inclusive multilingual platform.

The Movement Strategy is a collaborative effort to imagine and build the future of the Wikimedia Movement. Anyone can contribute to the Movement Strategy, from a comment to a full-time project.

Join this forum with your Wikimedia account, engage in conversations, and ask questions in different languages.

The Movement Strategy and Governance team (MSG) launched the proposal for the MS Forum in May 2022. There was a 2-month community review period, which ended on 24 July 2022. The community review process included several questions that resulted in interesting conversations. You can read the Community Review Report.

We look forward to seeing you at the MS Forum!

Best regards,

Movement Strategy and Governance Team

VChang (WMF) (傾偈) 2022年8月30號 (二) 17:39 (UTC)

The 2022 Board of Trustees election Community Voting is about to close

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多啲話 • 請幫手去譯做你嘅語言

Hello,

The Community Voting period of the 2022 Board of Trustees election started on August 23, 2022, and will close on September 6, 2022 23:59 UTC. There’s still a chance to participate in this election. If you did not vote, please visit the SecurePoll voting page to vote now. To see about your voter eligibility, please visit the voter eligibility page. If you need help in making your decision, here are some helpful links:

• Try the Election Compass, showing how candidates stand on 15 different topics.
• Read the candidate statements and answers to Affiliate questions.
• Learn more about the skills the Board seek and how the Analysis Committee found candidates align with those skills.
• Watch the videos of the candidates answering questions proposed by the community. For translated versions, please see here.

Best,

Movement Strategy and Governance

VChang (WMF) (傾偈) 2022年9月2號 (五) 16:21 (UTC)

Revised Enforcement Draft Guidelines for the Universal Code of Conduct

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Hello everyone,

The Universal Code of Conduct Enforcement Guidelines Revisions committee is requesting comments regarding the Revised Enforcement Draft Guidelines for the Universal Code of Conduct (UCoC). This review period will be open from 8 September 2022 until 8 October 2022.

The Committee collaborated to revise these draft guidelines based on input gathered from the community discussion period from May through July, as well as the community vote that concluded in March 2022. The revisions are focused on the following four areas:

1. To identify the type, purpose, and applicability of the UCoC training;
2. To simplify the language for more accessible translation and comprehension by non-experts;
3. To explore the concept of affirmation, including its pros and cons;
4. To review the balancing of the privacy of the accuser and the accused

The Committee requests comments and suggestions about these revisions by 8 October 2022. From there, the Revisions Committee anticipates further revising the guidelines based on community input.

Find the Revised Guidelines on Meta, and a comparison page in some languages.

Everyone may share comments in a number of places. Facilitators welcome comments in any language on the Revised Enforcement Guidelines talk page. Comments can also be shared on talk pages of translations, at local discussions, or during conversation hours. There are a series of conversation hours planned about the Revised Enforcement Guidelines; please see Meta for the times and details.

The facilitation team supporting this review period hopes to reach a large number of communities. If you do not see a conversation happening in your community, please organize a discussion. Facilitators can assist you in setting up the conversations. Discussions will be summarized and presented to the drafting committee every two weeks. The summaries will be published here.

On behalf of the UCoC Project Team

There will be one conversation hour suitable for Asia-Pacific timezones happening this Friday, 16th September 10:00 UTC. Kindly sign up on the meta page if you are planning to attend, thank you! VChang (WMF) (傾偈) 2022年9月13號 (二) 14:33 (UTC)

Announcing the Preliminary Results of the 2022 Board of Trustees Election Community Voting Period

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Hi everyone,

Thank you to everyone who participated in the 2022 Board of Trustees election process. Your participation helps seat the trustees the community seeks on the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees.

These are the preliminary results of the 2022 Board of Trustees election:

• Shani Evenstein Sigalov
• Mike Peel

You may see more information about the Results and Statistics of this Board election.

The Board will complete their review of the most voted candidates, including conducting background checks. The Board plans to appoint new trustees at their meeting in December.

Best,

Movement Strategy and Governance

This message was sent on behalf of the Board Selection Task Force and the Elections Committee

VChang (WMF) (傾偈) 2022年9月22號 (四) 16:19 (UTC)

中文維基百科嘅弊端

唔知大家點睇呢篇由IP用戶獨力編寫嘅文章，但我覺得入面話人「錯漏多、增長慢、內容少、專業貧」，套用落粵文維基百科都一樣，正宗係「迴力鏢」，甚至可以話係「百步笑五十步」。與其開篇文講人是非，不如落力去寫文，同改善返粵維自身嘅弊端。 Jason6698 (傾偈) 2022年10月4號 (二) 04:30 (UTC)

嗰篇文有大概一半係前人寫落咖，本用户做嘅係移位及擴充。佢嘅用途與閣下嘅願境並無衝突；希望有啲認真寫作嘅生手編輯者喺中文版被玩弄（改正陳年錯字被投訴「原創研究」，撮寫前人合法抄襲嘅政府宣傳稿被判定「持續破壞」……）過後，睇到嗰篇文明白自己衰乜，決定喺留人處——粵文版——試試。--110.174.132.162（討論） 2022年10月7號 (五) 08:23 (UTC)

《通用行為準則修訂執行指引》嘅諮詢期已經過咗

如果需要用第啲話睇爾個通告，可以去元維基搵

多啲話 • 請幫手去譯做你嘅語言

敬啓者：

通用行為準則修訂委員會喺爾度多謝大家喺《通用行為準則》（UCoC）嘅執行指引修訂草案嘅諮詢過程之中，獻出寶貴嘅時間來傾爾個指引、提議改善嘅地方同提出唔同嘅問題。唔該哂！

社羣諮詢期係2022年9月8號至10月8號，已經過咗。

喺過去嘅四個禮拜，通用行為準則專案小組透過咗唔同嘅渠道⸺包括畀維基人喺埋一齊傾爾個通用行為準則執行指引嘅三次對話時間⸺喺社羣度獲得咗寶貴嘅意見。

修訂委員會喺2022年10月嘅第二個星期會開返會，到時會研究社羣畀我哋嘅意見。通用行為準則專案小組會喺佢哋做嘢嘅過程中為佢哋提供更新，亦都會繼續向社羣報告任何重大嘅進展同埋有冇乜嘢里程碑達到咗。期間委員會會預備《通用行為準則執行指引》嘅最終版本，目前預料2023年1月中旬可以畀社羣投票確認。

　　此致
各位維基人

通用行為準則專案小組上

You can find answers on this page to the outstanding questions from the conversation hours. If you still have further comments or thoughts, please do not hesitate to reach out to me or leave your comments on, for example, the Movement Strategy Forum. -- VChang (WMF) (傾偈) 2022年10月19號 (三) 16:34 (UTC)

所以我仍然是粤维IP封禁豁免用户？

之前申请过，管理员回复是给临时性权限，我现在发现自己还可以编辑粤维，是说明我还有粤维IP封禁豁免吗？ 不慎言行非法师魔女 (傾偈) 2022年10月23號 (日) 09:21 (UTC)

@不慎言行非法师魔女：無，你嘅權限已經過咗期。可能係你嘅IP地址封鎖已經完咗。 ——Z423X5C6（傾偈） 2022年10月23號 (日) 09:43 (UTC)

粤维封锁会比别的地方要宽松吗？ 不慎言行非法师魔女 (傾偈) 2022年10月23號 (日) 09:55 (UTC)

@不慎言行非法师魔女：按個人觀察，這兒可能沒有總括性理由封鎖——突然之間説某用户「長期破壞」或「原創研究」，卻不指出錯在哪裏，或者以「一望而知」帶過……--110.174.132.162（討論） 2022年11月12號 (六) 20:26 (UTC)

Invitation to attend “Ask Me Anything about Movement Charter” Sessions

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Hello all,

During the 2022 Wikimedia Summit, the Movement Charter Drafting Committee (MCDC) presented the first outline of the Movement Charter, giving a glimpse on the direction of its future work, and the Charter itself. The MCDC then integrated the initial feedback collected during the Summit. Before proceeding with writing the Charter for the whole Movement, the MCDC wants to interact with community members and gather feedback on the drafts of the three sections: Preamble, Values & Principles, and Roles & Responsibilities (intentions statement). The Movement Charter drafts will be available on the Meta page here on November 14, 2022. Community wide consultation period on MC will take place from November 20 to December 18, 2022. Learn more about it here.

With the goal of ensuring that people are well informed to fully participate in the conversations and are empowered to contribute their perspective on the Movement Charter, three “Ask Me Anything about Movement Charter" sessions have been scheduled in different time zones. Everyone in the Wikimedia Movement is invited to attend these conversations. The aim is to learn about Movement Charter - its goal, purpose, why it matters, and how it impacts your community. MCDC members will attend these sessions to answer your questions and hear community feedback.

The “Ask Me Anything” sessions accommodate communities from different time zones. Only the presentation of the session is recorded and shared afterwards, no recording of conversations. Below is the list of planned events:

• Asia/Pacific: November 4, 2022 at 09:00 UTC (your local time). Interpretation is available in Chinese and Japanese.
• Europe/MENA/Sub Saharan Africa: November 12, 2022 at 15:00 UTC (your local time). Interpretation is available in Arabic, French and Russian.
• Latin America/North America/ Western Europe: November 12, 2022 at 15:00 UTC (your local time). Interpretation is available in Spanish and Portuguese.

On the Meta page you will find more details; Zoom links will be shared 48 hours ahead of the call.

Call for Movement Charter Ambassadors

Individuals or groups from all communities who wish to help include and start conversations in their communities on the Movement Charter are encouraged to become Movement Charter Ambassadors (MC Ambassadors). MC Ambassadors will carry out their own activities and get financial support for enabling conversations in their own languages. Regional facilitators from the Movement Strategy and Governance team are available to support applicants with MC Ambassadors grantmaking. If you are interested please sign up here. Should you have specific questions, please reach out to the MSG team via email: strategy2030@wikimedia.org or on the MS forum.

We thank you for your time and participation.

On behalf of the Movement Charter Drafting Committee, VChang (WMF) (傾偈) 2022年11月2號 (三) 18:45 (UTC)

Join the Movement Charter conversation hour for ESEAP region

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多啲話 • 請幫手去譯做你嘅語言

Dear all,

The Movement Charter Drafting Committee (MCDC) is currently collecting community feedback about three draft sections of the Movement Charter: Preamble, Values & Principles, and Roles & Responsibilities (statement of intent).

How can you participate and share your feedback?

The MCDC is looking forward to receiving all types of feedback in different languages from the community members across the Movement and Affiliates. You can participate in the following ways:

• Attend one of the scheduled community conversation hours with MCDC members; detail for the ESEAP session below;
• Fill out a survey (optional and anonymous);
• Share your thoughts and feedback on the Meta talk page;
• Share your thoughts and feedback on the Movement Strategy Forum:
  • Preamble
  • Values & Principles
  • Roles & Responsibilities (statement of intent); or
• Send an email to movementcharterwikimedia.org if you have other feedback to the MCDC.

The community consultation session for the ESEAP region will take place on Friday, 9 December 2022 at 09:00-10:30 UTC. The session will be held on Zoom; the link will be shared at the page 48 hours before the session. Live interpretation in Chinese, Japanese, and Indonesian will be available. The conversations will not be recorded, except for the section where participants are invited to share what they discussed in the breakout rooms. The facilitation team will take notes and produce a summary report afterwards.

If you want to learn more about the Movement Charter, its goals, why it matters and how it impacts your community, please watch the recording of the “Ask Me Anything about Movement Charter” sessions which took place earlier in November 2022. You can also watch the recording in Chinese and in Japanese.

Thank you for your participation.

On behalf of the Movement Charter Drafting Committee,

VChang (WMF) (傾偈) 2022年12月2號 (五) 15:51 (UTC)

Movement Charter: Current Community Consultation Coming to An End

Hi everyone,

On behalf of the Movement Charter Drafting Committee (MCDC), we would like to thank everyone who has participated in our first community wide consultation period on the Movement Charter.

People from across the Movement shared their feedback and thoughts on the content of the Movement Charter. If you have not had the chance to share your opinion yet, you are welcome to do so still by giving the drafts a read and filling out the anonymous survey, which is accessible in 12+ languages (Available in Banjar, English, Indonesian, Japanese, Mandarin Chinese and more). The deadline has been extended; the survey will now close on January 2, 2023. You are also invited to continue to share your thoughts with the MCDC via email (movementcharter@wikimedia.org).

What’s next?

The Movement Strategy and Governance team will publish the final report with the summary of the feedback received in January 2023. It will be shared with the MCDC and the communities via different distribution channels.

After receiving the final report, the MCDC will review the suggestions and communicate the changes by providing an explanation on how and why suggestions were or were not adopted in the next versions of the drafts. There will be additional ways to engage with the Movement Charter content in 2023, including early feedback on a proposed ratification process and new drafts of different chapters in the second quarter of 2023.

We invite you to sign-up to the MCDC monthly newsletter, it will be delivered to the Talk page of your choice. Monthly updates are available on Meta to remain updated on the progress of the MCDC.

You can view the relevant local conversations in East, Southeast Asia and the Pacific from the Movement Charter Ambassadors on this page. If you miss this round, you can still sign-up to become one in the future. The Movement Charter Ambassadors Grant Program will restart accepting applications from both individuals and groups ahead of the next round of consultations in the second quarter of 2023.

We thank you for your participation, time and effort in helping to build the Charter for our Movement!

Sending on behalf of the Movement Charter Drafting Committee,

VChang (WMF) (傾偈) 2022年12月19號 (一) 10:26 (UTC)