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城市論壇嘅雜項部係用嚟貼上同其它類別無關嘅信息。請盡量喺相應嘅頁面中發表同消息政策技術提議協助有關嘅討論,而並非喺呢度。想解釋點解你唔想響度寫嘢,唔該去WT:答批評。呢度係我地做嘢嘅地方。
請喺你嘅留言道加上你嘅簽名用埋時間(打入~~~~或者撳一下編輯工具欄上面嘅簽名掣)。請響最尾道加上新嘅題目。呢個版本嘅URL係:http://zh-yue.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E5%9F%8E%E5%B8%82%E8%AB%96%E5%A3%87_(%E9%9B%9C%E9%A0%85)?oldid=1321283
歸檔


差館/警署[編輯]

我贊成Category:警署搬去差館。但係我認為Category:香港差館底下旺角差館同深水埗差館應該搬返去警署,因為呢個係而家嘅正式名。第日有任何文章歸落差館類都好,該叫咩就咩,警察局/派出所/警察廳都好,唔需要劃一改名做差館。--Roy17 (傾偈) 2019年1月1號 (二) 00:43 (UTC)

Portal:臺灣時人時事定係Portal:時人時事/臺灣[編輯]

香港嘅時人時事叫Portal:時人時事/香港,中國大陸嘅時人時事叫Portal:時人時事/中國(我認為應該用「中國大陸」,不過唔係今次要討論嘅重點),但臺灣嘅時人時事叫Portal:臺灣時人時事而唔係Portal:時人時事/臺灣喎。我認為應該要統一返個格式,跟邊款我暫時無意見。--Kowlooner (傾偈) 2019年1月6號 (日) 16:11 (UTC)

佢之前開版之後有人搞過wikidata嘅項目整亂晒,依家搬咗版,整返好;之前Portal:時人時事/台灣曾經存在過。 Shinjiman 2019年1月7號 (一) 00:51 (UTC)

2018年最多人睇嘅文[編輯]

多謝WMFLabs嘅Topviews引入用年做單位嘅排名,可以等大家回顧返舊年全年邊啲文最多人睇,結果已經整理到呢度。睇埋前年比較,可以見到湖南衛視嘅《歌手》系列節目連續兩年霸住做粵維最多人睇嘅文,瀏覽人次更加由前年近37萬升到舊年近79萬,贏第二名幾十條街。正如我之前提過,《歌手》呢類同粵語圈無乜關係嘅嘢,交畀國維嗰邊寫就最好,唔應該走去做粵維最多人睇嘅文。不過唔計《歌手》,粵維整體嚟講都係影視娛樂類型嘅文最吸引到人過嚟睇。--Kowlooner (傾偈) 2019年1月13號 (日) 15:32 (UTC)

似乎《歌手》系列嘅文章嘅水份都仲係有好多噉,不過睇嚟計數度,載入一次就會計一次,改完一版保存之後又會再計一次? Shinjiman 2019年1月14號 (一) 00:56 (UTC)
有興趣嘅話,可以手機裝Wikipedia嘅APP,揀咗粵語後,會睇到有個每日熱文嘅欄目(數據計自前一日),然後就會發現,基本上各個語種維基啲人最多睇嘅都係啲娛樂類嘅嘢(粵語嘅,最常見係啲港星),偶爾因爲某啲節慶或者大事、新聞發生,就會有相應版面浮上頭。所以我覺得每年個榜都會差唔多。--S7w4j9 (傾偈) 2019年1月14號 (一) 05:45 (UTC)
講水份,《歌手2018》編輯次數確實高過其他文好多,但千幾次編輯,夾埋嘅水份頂盡咪一萬次瀏覽,但結果都係拋離第二名《蝕日風暴》63萬次瀏覽,所以唔可以單純用改得多去解釋。--Kowlooner (傾偈) 2019年1月20號 (日) 12:37 (UTC)

病毒譯名[編輯]

(我從來都唔認為音譯可分對錯,只有好壞,更莫論「病毒」。不過姑且遷就以下呢d譯法嘅始作俑者嘅習慣。)

  1. 寶華佐利
  2. 利揚省
  3. 利揚堂
  4. special:permalink/843943 (有d人名睇唔明?原文係en:special:permalink/593446014#History。)
  5. 洛他·馬臺斯
  6. 查爾斯·格比奇
  7. 巴素爾-繆侯燊-符賴堡歐洲機場
  8. 大高峰 (阿拉斯加)
  9. special:permalink/1052229
  10. zh:米夏埃爾·西爾伯鮑爾 (搭秤醒嘅)

今日年廿八,提住咁多先,但洗甩唔易。--Roy17 (傾偈) 2019年2月2號 (六) 14:52 (UTC)

用天安門廣場四君子之一嘅周舵喺2014年接受採訪嗰陣講嘅一句話來形容R大狀真係最適合不過:「只要跟我意見不同,就恨不得撲上去把人家掐死」。【粵語文學大使殘陽孤侠】 2019年2月8號 (五) 01:20 (UTC)

冗長多餘嘅資料[編輯]

Special:貢獻/Nttrouve新開嘅版,多數都包含冗長嘅巴士車型資料。我認為係多餘,頂櫳寫一兩句簡短交代有咩車廠足矣。--Roy17 (傾偈) 2019年2月2號 (六) 15:00 (UTC)

我覺得OK嘅,英維都有一堆巴士、火車公司文章,大半篇都係服務路線同埋車隊資料,只係對外部來源嘅要求嚴啲。翹仔 (傾偈) 2019年2月3號 (日) 23:17 (UTC)

interesting read[編輯]

en:special:permalink/882732807#A_frontal_non-free_image_because_we_only_have_a_profile, something so simple. Yet almost certainly never can one expect similarly rigorous inputs from this community.--Roy17 (傾偈) 2019年2月11號 (一) 03:13 (UTC)

It took one minute for enwp to remove this EDP contravention. Here on yuewp, unfree files could remain unnoticed for 10+ years. Some newbie came along and took matters into his own hands. Still the files tagged for deletion are piling up for months. Who are the ones taking other people's efforts for granted?
If EDP is not enforced, local upload should not be enabled. If no one understands the EDP, how was it implemented in the first place? So far only one user contributed to the contents of the local EDP though. Perhaps this helps to explain this community's general oversight of non-free files.--Roy17 (傾偈) 2019年2月11號 (一) 03:50 (UTC)

一d俗語[編輯]

Special:貢獻/138.19.172.0/22,「只顯示開新版嘅編輯」。有d跳轉應該改成去維基辭典嘅soft redirect。我記低好耐,而家懶得理喇。--Roy17 (傾偈) 2019年2月19號 (二) 17:34 (UTC)

  • 一樣有問題嘅起碼仲有Category:粵字Category:粵語詞匯。我認為理想做法係,喺維基辭典寫好佢。但「寫」太麻煩。喺粵文維基辭典,是但一樣可以機做嘅嘢都冇,全部要人手做,浪費人生。粵文維基辭典係注定失敗嘅項目,中短期內都冇乜希望。--Roy17 (傾偈) 2019年2月22號 (五) 18:50 (UTC)

投訴長期未處理[編輯]

本年1月24號,我提出一項有關「自我宣傳」及「以謊言干擾維基百科」嘅投訴:special:diff/1260115,及後再作3次補充。4次修訂悉數被User:Deryck Chan刪除,日誌如下:

  1. special:redirect/logid/247977
  2. special:redirect/logid/248029
  3. special:redirect/logid/248030
  4. special:redirect/logid/248031

另外仲有一次威脅封鎖special:diff/1260285

除此以外,該項投訴至今未有處理。我促請管理員處理該項投訴。

On 24 Jan 2019 I reported acts of self-promotion and disruption to Wikipedia. By the following day, 25 Jan, User:Deryck Chan has redacted all four relevant revisions (see logs above) and threatened me with a block on the grounds that I had violated privacy rules. It has been nearly a month, but the contents of my report remain unaddressed. Could any sysop please attend to this matter without further delay?--Roy17 (傾偈) 2019年2月22號 (五) 22:02 (UTC)

Another two weeks went by and the contents of the four redacted revisions are still unaddressed. @Deryck Chan If you or any other admin is not willing to handle the contents of the four redacted revisions, please restore the four revisions. Consider this the last chance to undo deletion before complaints on admin abuse and admin negligence are lodged.

我最後重申一次,請撤銷上述四項刪除日誌對應嘅刪除,除非刪除咗嘅投訴獲得處理。--Roy17 (傾偈) 2019年3月6號 (三) 15:31 (UTC)

既然 Roy17「last chance」我,咁我講兩句。上面 Roy17 寫嘅係對我嘅投訴,用第三人稱寫,所以我收聲,等其他編者評論,但似乎未有其他人有興趣介入。我認為我以上收埋嗰幾次收改,做法符合Wikipedia:騷擾裡面唔准「展示有其他用戶個人資料嘅站內/站外網頁」嘅要求。如果你認為粵維社群處理唔到你嘅投訴嘅話,請自己向更高權威報告。翹仔 (傾偈) 2019年3月6號 (三) 15:44 (UTC)
I have repeatedly asserted in both Cantonese and English that my reports on "self-promotion and disruption to Wikipedia" should be addressed by "any sysop", regardless of the visibility of those four revisions. And I pinged Deryck Chan, who deleted the revisions, each time I made this request. Yet he continues to ignore it. His comment above is nothing but a mere repetition of his thinking behind his deletion, which he had written on my talk page. I do not need that.
Why does an admin delete the complaints without addressing them, even after repeatedly being urged to do so?--Roy17 (傾偈) 2019年3月6號 (三) 16:31 (UTC)

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外滿洲地名嘅搬版[編輯]

粵維收錄嘅外滿洲地名,本嚟都係用傳統中文名而唔係由俄文譯成北話嘅名(例如用「海參崴」而唔係「符拉迪沃斯托克」),但最近有位主要響國維活躍嘅維基友唐吉訶德的侍從,響未經任何討論嘅情況下,將多個外滿洲地名搬版,理由係中文名無來源。不過,查返國維對應文章,多數都有列出來源,搬版理由似乎唔成立。查實用傳統中文名,不但符合中文名優先(相對外文名)嘅原則,亦可以避開譯音同粵語相差太遠嘅問題。建議還原所有搬版。--Kowlooner (傾偈) 2019年5月19號 (日) 13:31 (UTC)

支持。若果要用音譯名,點音譯法又係戰爭一場,用中文名可避免問題。--S7w4j9 (傾偈) 2019年5月19號 (日) 14:13 (UTC)
支持還原。【粵語文學大使殘陽孤侠】 2019年5月20號 (一) 05:45 (UTC)
傾向同意全部還原用傳統漢字名。@唐吉訶德的侍從可唔可以講兩句?@Kowlooner你知唔知有咩版受影響?翹仔 (傾偈) 2019年5月21號 (二) 10:43 (UTC)
反對:只建議海參崴、伯力、海蘭泡、雙城子、廟街、尼布楚、雅克薩、庫頁島、外興安嶺用漢名(皆為常用),其他應用俄語名。原因:其餘地區漢語名不僅極少使用,更是連準確性都存在爭議。例如阿穆爾河畔共青城的傳統中國名,早期版本稱是「瓦倫」,後來又用戶改成了「謨爾齊」[1]。是IP的修正,還是惡搞?完全就無法查證哪一個是對的。所以應使用俄語譯名。另外,建議移動重新命名為俄語的粵音譯名,尊重原文讀音。--唐吉訶德的侍從 (傾偈) 2019年5月21號 (二) 11:01 (UTC)

注意[編輯]

zh:粵語歷史頭先畀人提刪zh:Wikipedia:頁面存廢討論/記錄/2019/07/24#粵語歷史,請各位編輯留意。——Longway22 (傾偈) 2019年7月24號 (三) 13:00 (UTC)

  • 補上8月15號某發言,相當有針對性,編輯讀者等參詳,以理解成個可能面對咁嘅色勢。——Longway22 (傾偈) 2019年8月20號 (二) 14:09 (UTC)

Long-term sysop negligence[編輯]

粵文維基百科管理員長期唔履行管理任務,譬如:

  1. Special:SpecialPages包含各種輔助維護網站嘅統計報告,當中唔少管理員應主動並時常處理,譬如Special:UnconnectedPagesSpecial:斷鏈Special:無分類嘅檔案Special:未用檔案。長期冇人主動做。呢d維護,往往需要管理員先有嘅刪除功能,等第d人提交畀管理員處理係浪費編者時間。
  2. 受惠於2007年3月Wikimedia Foundation嘅決議,受版權保護嘅圖片,可以喺符合本地維基百科嘅Exemption Doctrine Policy(EDP)嘅前提下,保留喺本地。但實際操作上,管理員長期無視本地EDP同WMF決議嘅要求。有唔符合EDP嘅檔案如File:Kobsmile.jpg,2007年6月上傳,一直到2018年先至由普通用戶提出即刪,2019年先刪得成。足證管理員從來冇意圖實行本地EDP。
  3. 第1條涉及嘅維護,就算有人幫手做咗,管理員依然怠工:
    1. 就我個人經歷而言,喺呢一刻,仲有早到2018年12月19號提出即刪嘅檔案如File:Lightrailmap.JPG,8個月都未處理。
    2. 存檔之中亦不乏事例。譬如Wikipedia:城市論壇_(政策)/歸檔/2017年12月#有人似乎當咗呢度係相片儲存庫記載,2017年11月User:Kowlooner提出即刪一批檔案,但要到2018年2月27號,即係3個月後先處理:[2]

請負責任,及時回應WP:VPWP:AN等版面用戶提出嘅問題,使用專屬於管理員嘅工具。

Sysops on yue.wikipedia are not active in maintenance tasks. For instance:

  1. Special:SpecialPages has a list of maintenance reports, but yuewp sysops are not doing their part to patrol and resolve pages in for example Special:UnconnectedPages, Special:斷鏈, Special:無分類嘅檔案, Special:未用檔案, etc.
  2. yuewp opts into hosting fair-use files, but sysops have failed to implement the Exemption Doctrine Policy. File:Kobsmile.jpg was one such copyvio that had been uploaded in June 2007. Only in 2018 did a non-sysop user request speedy deletion, but it was still not deleted until 2019.
  3. Sysops do not use the sysop tools exclusively reserved for them even if other users have done the tasks mentioned in point #1, for example:
    1. It's been 8 months since I requested speedy deletion of File:Lightrailmap.JPG.
    2. Many more frustrations could be found in archives. Wikipedia:城市論壇_(政策)/歸檔/2017年12月#有人似乎當咗呢度係相片儲存庫 is one such case. User:Kowlooner helped patrol the files and requested speedy deletion of many, but no deletion was done until 27 Feb 2018, three months later.

This is a formal complaint against yuewp sysop(s)' inaction. They have failed to respond to WP:VP and WP:AN and use the tools responsibly.--Roy17 (傾偈) 2019年8月11號 (日) 19:14 (UTC)

User:Deryck Chan's misconduct[編輯]

Facts:

  1. 新法蘭西粵語拼音方案 (Q56257187) has been deleted from Chinese (repeatedly), English, French, German and literary Chinese wikipedias.
  2. special:redirect/page/54299 was initially nominated for deletion on the grounds that it was written from unreliable sources and that no reliable sources could be found at all.
  3. On top of being unsourced, the subject of that article was in fact Cedric tsan cantonais留言 | 貢獻)'s own novel, unpublished idea.
  4. The article is therefore unpublished, unverifiable, non-notable and self-promotional.
  5. I filed complaints against self-promotion, but they were quickly censored by Deryck Chan留言 | 貢獻), apparently at Cedric tsan cantonais's request:
    1. special:redirect/logid/247977
    2. special:redirect/logid/248029
    3. special:redirect/logid/248030
    4. special:redirect/logid/248031
  6. Deryck Chan also threatened me with a block for these complaints: special:diff/1260285.
  7. User talk:Deryck Chan is rife with Cedric tsan cantonais's as well as a few other users' canvassing and personal attacks against me.
  8. Deryck Chan closed the AfD in favour of Cedric tsan cantonais by dodging all of the problems listed in fact #4: special:diff/1276534.
  9. To date, I have not received anything with regard to the outcome of the censored complaints of mine listed in fact #5.

Conclusion: The revision deletions listed in #5 are misuse of admin tools. The AfD closure could be the result of users' continuous attacks and lobbying.

I had objected to Deryck Chan's revdel and asked for review: special:permalink/1319266#投訴長期未處理, which remains unattended after five months. I would say that is just another instance of yuewp community's long-term sysop negligence.--Roy17 (傾偈) 2019年8月14號 (三) 01:18 (UTC)